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Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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How much should people care about this who live in various radiuses? I.e., within 200 miles, is there zero cause for concern? Or is the type of thing that will do something like remove five years of life on average for people within five miles, one year within 100 miles, one month within 300 miles, etc.?

We should all be concerned no matter the radius. This will happen elsewhere if nothing is done to address the issues. And right now, far too many people are silent on this.

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Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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Recall when there was an imminent Rail Workers' strike in the news? Which Congress bravely stepped in and prevented? Weren't safety issues like this part of the workers' complaints? There were multiple sightings of axles on fire before the accident: https://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2023/02/10/...

> There were multiple sightings of axles on fire before the accident

In Germany, we have these hot-box detectors as well - and if they trigger, the train is automatically stopped by dispatch. Wonder what happened in this case.

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Recall when there was an imminent Rail Workers' strike in the news? Which Congress bravely stepped in and prevented? Weren't safety issues like this part of the workers' complaints? There were multiple sightings of axles on fire before the accident: https://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2023/02/10/...

I suspect we're seeing more and more of these issues due to corner cutting in various industries. Air travel has already been a tight margin industry and take at look at all the air related issues we've seen recently, from FAA systems down to mass cancelations due to infrastructure to the recent runway conflicts and accidents we've seen. Speaking from anecdotal experience, over the years this constant push for more c…

> Speaking from anecdotal experience, over the years this constant push for more complex and efficient work from individuals has lead to me cutting more corners than I ever wanted to and producing more questionable products and services in the name of efficiency.

I read a while ago a perfect word to describe this world we're living in: crapitalism.

Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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Although the reddit comments are interesting, it may be better to change this link to the original linked AP news article.

Reddit (and now HN) is the only source that shows this on the front page - I wouldn't have heard about it otherwise. Corporate news outlets have kept it from the front page.

A reporter was literally arrested for reporting on it.

https://archive.ph/esy2M

Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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Although the reddit comments are interesting, it may be better to change this link to the original linked AP news article.

Reddit (and now HN) is the only source that shows this on the front page - I wouldn't have heard about it otherwise. Corporate news outlets have kept it from the front page.

That's an extraordinary allegation. Any evidence of this conspiracy?

Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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How much should people care about this who live in various radiuses? I.e., within 200 miles, is there zero cause for concern? Or is the type of thing that will do something like remove five years of life on average for people within five miles, one year within 100 miles, one month within 300 miles, etc.?

I know nothing about this field but I remember when California had really bad wildfires, when it was happening (in 2020 or 2021? It all blends together) there were charts showing air quality levels across the US. I'm in NY and I visibly saw different colored clouds when the "smoke clouds" made their way over here. I have no idea if the same thing applies to this train's chemicals but that is a case where there was a coast to coast impact on something that travels in the air.

Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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It would actually be interesting to take a vacation to the media bubble of someone who thinks that there is not a huge problem there. Painting in broad strokes, the distrust is there for the "first, distrust corporations" left and the "first, distrust the media and big government" right. I don't imagine there are many people wholly outside those camps, at least not on something like this.

As a member of neither camp, my reasoning:

Money means far too much. We can fix a lot of problems by any of the following:

- Making marketing illegal and imprisonment for violators starting at CEO and working down - Taking opinion out of the news and imprisoning violators starting at CEO and working down - Having corporatations/government agencies which break laws face criminal consequences starting at CEO/Top rank and working down. - Removal of costs for education and imprisoning any people cheating the system, starting at the top and working down. - A global food program for rice(?) and bean(?) that ensures no belly is ever without at least some nutrients. -A global housing program to ensure every person is able to be sheltered and stable.

In this instant case(assuming what I have read is true and if not, notice the point tackling that) we have some heads of some departments going to jail, whoever actually caused the strike to end can go to jail, the people in charge of basically doing a chemical terrorist attack can all go to jail as well.

The people suffering could just temporarily move to new shelter and avoid chemicals.

But frankly, none of that would be needed because people in power would finally have a single reason to give a single shit. We wouldn't be here discussing such an absurdity for the nth day in a row.

Just imagine for a moment dying because of this incident... Be that person today, because before you know it, you will be that person by force.

Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit (and now HN) is the only source that shows this on the front page - I wouldn't have heard about it otherwise. Corporate news outlets have kept it from the front page.

A reporter was literally arrested for reporting on it. https://archive.ph/esy2M

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