Earlier quoted context omitted.
That seems like a bad idea. Just waiting for the escape and autobrewery syndrome
somebody needs to make movie about that.
I'm just imagining Cocaine Bear 2 being made about this.
The Odin – DIY genetic engineering
51–60 of 166 posts
Re: The Odin – DIY genetic engineering
#52Really cool project, just worth mentioning that in some western countries ordering this stuff could lead to serious consequences and troubles with law. I live in Germany and would be afraid to get some of it.
Do they even ship outside the USA? Nevermind all the chemicals, just shipping the plant itself internationally for that kit might be impossible. It's a shame, the EU is so technologically backward and anti-science.
Yes, they do ship outside the USA (I ordered their kits from Switzerland, they arrived in a few weeks).
Re: The Odin – DIY genetic engineering
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any genetic modifications would require an S1 laboratory in Germany, that is not something any private person could do. You would have to go to a university or company with an approved S1 laboratory to do such experiments.
Yes but keep in mind that in Germany an s1 time share lab ( including equipment ) of 25m2 can be rented from 10€ per square meter. That is less than you pay rent. They really want people to do bio stuff. https://www.bio-security.de/s1-s2-labore-bueros-mieten/
your comment confuses me, I would appreciate it if you could please clarify -
you rent a 25m2 lab for 10 euro/m2, so 25eur for the whole lab? For how long is this price? Per hour, day, week, month?
Re: The Odin – DIY genetic engineering
#54Dumb question, as a layman vaguely scared by easy access to this kind of tech: how easy is it to engineer bad stuff using these kits? (say, drug resistant bacteria)
I got several of their earlier kits - never got it to work even with most of the prep done by someone else, my bacteria either didn't accept the jellyfish genes or they just died :(.
It takes some skill to do even very simple stuff, but it's certainly plausible that, say, Covidlike events become a common weapon in interstate conflicts. My own hope is that a lot of individuals with access to this knowledge will have a much healthier arms race than a few big labs - most individuals are moral agents, so a few bad actors in a big group of people with mostly good intentions is less scary to me than a few big groups with no bad intentions but zero-sum game theory.
Re: The Odin – DIY genetic engineering
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes but keep in mind that in Germany an s1 time share lab ( including equipment ) of 25m2 can be rented from 10€ per square meter. That is less than you pay rent. They really want people to do bio stuff. https://www.bio-security.de/s1-s2-labore-bueros-mieten/
your comment confuses me, I would appreciate it if you could please clarify - you rent a 25m2 lab for 10 euro/m2, so 25eur for the whole lab? For how long is this price? Per hour, day, week, month?
I read this as 250eur/month for a 25 m2 space.
Re: The Odin – DIY genetic engineering
#56The Bacterial Edit Kit is very dangerous. The sale should be controlled. Imagine if they edit the gene of a bacterium and we get a new pandemic? Only ultra-safe labs should handle this.
Re: The Odin – DIY genetic engineering
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Alright but let's slow down a bit here... This kit is about plants, and it doesn't give you absolutely anything that those "few dozen smart guys" wouldn't have access to in a regular university. Meaning, if you have the inclination and resources to produce a deadly virus, this kit does not make it any easier.
Yeah, a "regular university" signs up students right off the streets of Siria.
These are called regular Syrian universities and there are plenty of those.
Re: The Odin – DIY genetic engineering
#58I wonder how long it'll take until there are yeast cultures to produce various psychoactive/scheduled substances on the dark web. https://news.stanford.edu/2020/09/02/scientists-turn-yeast-c...
That seems like a bad idea. Just waiting for the escape and autobrewery syndrome
Yeast/mold has been used for production of all kinds of stuff that is problematic in large quantities.
Re: The Odin – DIY genetic engineering
#59> At The ODIN, we believe the future is going to be dominated by genetic engineering and consumer genetic design will be a big part of that. At LOKI, we believe the future is going to be dominated by nature protection and consumer behaviour reengineering will be a big part of that.
Careful, you're at risk of being chained to a rock in a cave, with poison dripped on your head for an age...
Re: The Odin – DIY genetic engineering
#60I wonder how long it'll take until there are yeast cultures to produce various psychoactive/scheduled substances on the dark web. https://news.stanford.edu/2020/09/02/scientists-turn-yeast-c...
There have been efforts in the last decade to engineer yeast to produce lysergic acid (https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2011/jun/21/scienti...). Apparently, a group managed to introduce the complete pathway and published an article last year: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-28386-6