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Re: An Introduction to Class Warfare for the Software Engineer

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Post by pelasaco » Mon, Feb 13, 2023, 12:00 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #338

pelasaco wrote: post #309

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> Lets not get carried away thinking we are specially noble. The guy in Nebraska maintaining one of key dependencies of your project thanklessly disagrees[1]. Well, we build stuff. we praise the knowledge. We were called geeks, hackers, etc. I can just compare software engineering with science like math, * engineering, physics. Finance market as put by the other contributor, is just what we are not, and why Linux exi…

What is the conclusion we should reach then -> engineers are unnecessarily noble and should not allow themselves to be exploited?

> What is the conclusion we should reach then -> engineers are unnecessarily noble and should not allow themselves to be exploited?

That's not the conclusion, unless you think that Class Warfare plays a role anywhere. I don't.

Re: An Introduction to Class Warfare for the Software Engineer

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Post by pelasaco » Mon, Feb 13, 2023, 12:38 PM UTC

gomizari wrote: post #349

pelasaco wrote: post #343

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> the goal in capitalism is increase profits, not well being of people. I thought that in 2023 would be clear to everyone that only capitalist countries were able to improve the well being of the people. I see 0 boats from Miami to Cuba, just the other way around. So even though we can agree that people working in some fields have a hard life, for a fact, we know that in the communist countries they didn't have a bet…

Soviet Union substantially improved well-being of its people, when compared to what Russian Empire was before. Other capitalist countries managed to improve the well being of the people because of wars and financial imperialism. Holodomor had a lot of reasons, collectivisation was not the main one.

> Holodomor had a lot of reasons, collectivisation was not the main one.

It is not right. The same "collectivisation" was tried in different countries like GDR (1953 uprising), and China, great Famine, 1959. So same strategy led to same results in different countries.

Re: An Introduction to Class Warfare for the Software Engineer

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Post by gomizari » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 7:42 AM UTC

pelasaco wrote: post #352

gomizari wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Soviet Union substantially improved well-being of its people, when compared to what Russian Empire was before. Other capitalist countries managed to improve the well being of the people because of wars and financial imperialism. Holodomor had a lot of reasons, collectivisation was not the main one.

> Holodomor had a lot of reasons, collectivisation was not the main one. It is not right. The same "collectivisation" was tried in different countries like GDR (1953 uprising), and China, great Famine, 1959. So same strategy led to same results in different countries.

Not same, since none of them have such loud names as Holodomor and are not considered genocide anywhere.

Collectivization initially leads to decrease and then to increase. In USSR result got so bad due to collection of reasons, unrelated to collectivization. Collectivization was badly needed in USSR, since 95% of population were inefficient farmers. It was a must for later industrialization.