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Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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Post by Seb-C »

arwineap wrote: post #446
localplume wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surveillance satellites are very different to directly flying this equipment into US airspace, including the fact that this equipment could hold paylods other than ISR. Not to mention this comment implies China does not have equivalent spy satellites, which it does. Also the UN is an absolute joke. That article links has China and Russia complaining about the West being aggressors so honestly its kinda BS. Also forge…

I'm failing to understand how balloons are different from satellites, save for altitude; those sats could be carrying payloads other than ISR as well.

A limit to the airspace belonging to each country has to be defined.

Otherwise (for example) the Apollo missions would have violated USSR's airspace whenever the moon's orbit was above it's territory, which would make space unusable for everyone.

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Post by aembleton »

bmitc wrote: post #99
zmanian wrote: post #52

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The AIM-9X is infrared imaging based rather than heat signature based. The pilot resolves that contrast between the object and sky before firing the missile and missile targets the object based on the image.

> The AIM-9X is infrared imaging based rather than heat signature based. Isn't heat detected by infrared? What's the difference?

The balloon reflects IR, just as it reflects visible light

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

dilyevsky wrote: post #198
blindriver wrote: post #127

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They have Huawei equipment is almost every cell tower installation to do that already.

Not in the us/europe they don’t

Yes they do, in Eastern Europe.

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Post by soco »

handedness wrote: post #187
gambiting wrote: post #153

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>>Also the UN is an absolute joke UN is literally just a forum for countries to meet and discuss matters. Nothing more nothing less. I have no idea why people expect UN to take action, when UN is explicitly not an organisation for taking any actions.

The UN is certainly something more than that, and not literally just a forum. They have an active duty peacekeeping force of approximately 81K people. While that's similar in size to the active duty forces from a nation like a Peru or Chile, the Blue Helmets have had a de facto quasi-blanket immunity when committing war crimes, and have some pretty horrifying history in places like Central Africa. For example: "Consi…

The UN peacekeeping force exists only when the states in the forum agree to form one. It's not like "the UN" is sending troops, but a few states - not every UN member mind you - put some troops together, give them blue insignia and send them do the things they agreed in the forum to do.

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Post by lakomen »

godelski wrote: post #456
esperent wrote: post #438

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Can you be more specific? I'm from a country that people would consider part of "The West". However we've never attacked anyone except invaders in entire country's history. I'm sure you could dredge up some connection to the US and get angry with us about it, if you were an Islamic extremist or something. More realistically though, you could find fault with any country with that attitude. Speaking of current geopolit…

> So, tell me again about why everything is the fault of "The West", including all the western countries who have never attacked anyone, in your mind? Not the person you're responding to, but I think it is important to recognize that the US is practically the military of The West (and some more like Japan and Korea), or rather those on the side of democracy in the cold war. Lots of this is because after a bunch of ve…

I found that line of thought, peace through war or rather weapons, very weak when I first encountered it in a school's classroom in the 80s.

I find it untrue. Real peace can only be without weapons. I don't want to go back to this same old rhetoric I grew up with and which I was happy to have ended, until 9/11 and the US making a 180° turn, because now they had no one to counter their ambitions to dominate the world, which doesn't validate the rhetoric, because obviously only 1 side laid down their weapons. The US saw this as "we won, now we can act unrestricted". But Russia didn't lose. They willingly stopped the cold war. That is very important in understanding the current aggression and narrative.

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Post by sokoloff »

handedness wrote: post #329
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #255

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> Consider a small sample of heinous cases I can cite henious cases committed by London Police force. Just a couple months ago we've convicted 'bastard dave'. He was a cop and used his position to become a serial rapist and a murderer, and he had a nickname, which strongly suggests some of his colleagues knew something. You have to assess three points to understand if the entire organisation is responsoble. Have they…

It's not about citing heinous cases. You're solving for a different aspect of the problem. Bastard Dave was convicted via an existing enforcement mechanism that in that case was at least arguably functional. The point is if Bastard Dave were a UN peacekeeper in central Africa, the host nation would be unable to try the case, and the UN itself mostly grants its own people blanket immunity and wouldn't prosecute it, ei…

How is that different from the third point in GP’s?

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Post by vinay427 »

shultays wrote: post #506

Wouldn't it make more sense to capture such objects? Or shot down in a less destructive way instead of rockets and then investigate what they are about, which countries they are from. Or is US past that point already?

> then investigate what they are about, which countries they are from

That is what is currently happening, and it’s a little odd that the linked article didn’t seem to mention this. Divers with special cold water gear are being sent to fetch debris from this latest object, and a similar situation is going on for the others.

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Post by sokoloff »

culi wrote: post #464
benatkin wrote: post #451

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This would have to be addressed knowing the details of the country. It's hand-waving to say that a country has never attacked. For instance, Ireland lets attacking aircraft use their facilities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality

Right and all of the EU benefits and invests in the World Bank which is one of the major forces used to keep the third world always in a state of "developing" through structural adjustment policies that keep them from ever actually developing

I can’t tell if you think the World Bank should do more/different or stop meddling entirely and allow the countries to develop on their own.
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