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Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by LarryMullins »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #98
philwelch wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only beneficiary of the pipeline going bust are the USA. Ukraine and Norway are also beneficiaries. Ukraine because it reduces the risk of Germany getting squishy about supporting them and Norway because they’ve cornered the European natural gas market.

But ukraine is unable to do it by themselves, and norway probably to. On the other hand, USA (biden) literally said that they will stop the nord streams on tv.

> But ukraine is unable to do it by themselves,

They're pretty good at improvisation. Odds are good that they could pull off such a thing if they were so inclined. You don't need a traditional submarine fleet to do something like this.

They're not at the top of my suspects list though.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by fastball »

seanstev wrote: post #15
fastball wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't most of the advanced science and engineering come from the USSR?

USSR =! Russia. Majority of main advances came from the satellites, such as Ukrainians (Glushko, Korolev, chelomei, etc.).

Yes this is the point I was making. Although, I wouldn't try to say "this was a Ukrainian achievement" – I still think you should lump most of them together as "Soviet" achievements. But calling them Russian seems just as misguided as calling them Ukrainian.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by LarryMullins »

ArnoVW wrote: post #74
wheelerof4te wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia could just stop the flow of gas without blowing the pipeline up. They had Zero reasons to blow it up and very good reasons to keep it alive if and when the Germans wanted that gas again. The only beneficiary of the pipeline going bust are the USA.

No longer supplying means that they get geopolitical flack for 'using hydrocarbons as a weapon'. And will get dragged before the courts for not honoring their long term contracts. So blowing the pipeline up is the better alternative.

> No longer supplying means that they get geopolitical flack for 'using hydrocarbons as a weapon'.

They've already invaded a nation. What you're suggesting here is like a violent machine-gun toting bank robber in ski mask making sure to pay his parking bill before driving off, because he's worried about what other people might think of him.

Using international trade to coerce nations is a far lesser crime than invading them and leveling their cities with artillery.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by ghostwriter »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #143
avmich wrote: post #121

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People first need safety, and only after that working factories, and there's tremendous suspicion in Europe that here we have a replay of sad events some 80 years ago. Politicians can shit all day, and people can be gullible as worms, yet sometime they add two with two and figure out that spending more today and changing the energy sources for tomorrow may save them from having to spend all and above to maintain the…

For "the rest of the world", the "sad events" have been happening literally right now, or during the last 80 years... syria, libya, afghanistan, iraq, iraq again, yemen, yugoslavia, etc., but since it was "us" doing it, no sanctions were needed, and dead civilians didn't count. Syria is occupied right now by americans and you're shitting here about safety... Price Harry even went playing "war tourism" and went shooti…

> I live in a shitty small slovenia, and even we sent soldiers to help the agressors in afghanistan and syria.

Fun facts:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Mechanized_Brigade_(Ukrain...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_Mechanized_Brigade_(Ukrain...

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by redeeman »

shagie wrote: post #132
bigdict wrote: post #122

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The volume has certainly been going down for a while, I'm not sure who's responsible for that. Like I would actually need to research that part. Russia can stop the pump while Europe can suspend payments. Both actions have the same effect on volume sold.

September 29, 2022 - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60131520 Russia has been reducing gas supplies through Nord Stream 1 for a number of months. In June, it cut deliveries through the pipeline by 75% - from 170m cubic metres of gas a day to roughly 40m cubic metres. In July, Russia shut it down for 10 days, citing the need for maintenance. When it reopened, the flow was halved to 20m cubic metres a day. In lat…

and isnt it somewhat reasonable that if we do not believe the maintenance explanation, that it MIGHT just be that they are doing it to force the germans to put the stamp on the final opening approval for nord stream 2? there is a reason nord stream 2 was created, even though nord stream 1 exists.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by redeeman »

Swenrekcah wrote: post #110
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #90

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Russia controls the valves and germany controls the sanctions... anti-gas sanctions come from germany, russia closes the valve, no gas for germany. Then a cold winter comes, gas prices get very high (especially since the americans are inflating the price), german industry is fucked, people are paying a lot for heat (or being cold), and there's putin with "just lessen the sanctions, stop sending stuff to ukraine, and…

This analysis is not complete. By the time the pipeline was bombed, it was clear that the EU wasn’t going to cave into Russian demands to stop supporting Ukraine. So the pipeline sitting there usable but with no gas flowing would both create legal problems for Russia and also be a symbol of European unity. Regarding the US being able to sell LNG, the capabilities to transport and offload it in the quantities needed d…

> By the time the pipeline was bombed, it was clear that the EU wasn’t going to cave into Russian demands to stop supporting Ukraine.

it is clear that the ruling class didnt want to, but there was increasing pressure from the people of germany and also other parts of EU to approve nord stream 2.

And the US simply couldnt accept that the possibility that they would cave to pressure from the people(the horror). Its probably entirely possible that the germany/EU regime asked the US to do it, just to remove the possibility of them having to be accountable to their own citizens.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by redeeman »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #115
bilqis wrote: post #107

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Both countries also heavily invested in Nordstream-2, and there were good economical reasons for that. Current sanctions are temporary, as well as this war, and if it haven’t been blown up, it would start working again in no time.

Once the dust settles, it will take less time to fix the pipeline than to repair Russia's international standing. That's true even if the pipeline is unsalvageable, because Russia certainly is. The sanctions aren't going away until Putin is replaced by someone sane. I don't expect that to happen anytime soon, do you?

when can we replace the regimes in the west with someone sane?

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by redeeman »

ArnoVW wrote: post #74
wheelerof4te wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia could just stop the flow of gas without blowing the pipeline up. They had Zero reasons to blow it up and very good reasons to keep it alive if and when the Germans wanted that gas again. The only beneficiary of the pipeline going bust are the USA.

No longer supplying means that they get geopolitical flack for 'using hydrocarbons as a weapon'. And will get dragged before the courts for not honoring their long term contracts. So blowing the pipeline up is the better alternative.

> get geopolitical flack

so as opposed to now, someone will talk poorly about them? I dont quite know how putin would sleep at night if someone said he was a bad dude

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by ghostwriter »

0xDEF wrote: post #62
fastball wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't most of the advanced science and engineering come from the USSR?

A lot of that depended on contributions from the Baltic countries, Ukraine, and minorities within Russia like the Russian Jews and Germans. Many of the latter have been leaving Russia in droves since the 1980s.

It's remarkable how post-soviet states are quickly forgetting that many of them (Baltics, Georgia, and Ukraine in particular) built the majority of their currently existing heavy industries and civilian infrastructure due to their placement in the highest supply category (out of three other less fortunate categories [1]) under USSR's planned economy. For years the the entire union had been allocating its resources and the best work labour to these regions, in strong accordance to the priorities defined by Politburo.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/s8jy8l/each_settle...

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by bigdict »

InTheArena wrote: post #150
bigdict wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no power in your posturing when the situation is symmetrical like that :)

Iraq gassed their own citizens, tried to assassinate a U.S. president, invaded their neighbors, engaged in terrorism (not Al Qaeda). At the time of the gulf war there were regularly trying to shoot down iUS and NATO aircraft in the no-fly zone designed to keep Saddam from killing the Kurds. Iraq was a horrible mistake and tragedy - but no oil was stolen, nor was territory seized. While many people died, there was nev…

Perfect symmetry:

> Don’t invade other countries murder innocents, kill babies.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/where-is-ou...

> Want to be trusted? Follow the treaties you signed.

https://qz.com/1273510/all-the-international-agreements-the-...

> Don’t want to be accused of breaking g your obligations? Read the UN charter.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

The upshot is unfortunately might makes right in this world, and the US sure has the might.

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