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Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

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Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

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This perfectly legal torrent link blocked in Ireland, btw.

It is? I'm guessing Eircom blocks thepiratebay.org? I'm on UPC and its not blocked for me.

That's exactly what I'm getting at, and why SOPA and it's ilk are so pernicious.

(I'm not actually in Ireland at all any more, so it's not blocked for me either.)

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

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The individuals may end up with six/seven figure cushy jobs, but the party may still suffer long-term consequences. When you're in politics, money is only good for one thing: buying votes. However, if a force stronger than free t-shirts and pens makes itself noticed, like mass-media reminding people how they got screwed, then interesting things can happen. I think the main issue here with these people is that the Int…

the party may still suffer long-term consequences Two party system, long term is only long enough for the other side to screw up, so 4 or 8 years tops.

The real long term consequence that they're afraid of is pissing off enough people that they go form another party. It's happened before.

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

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Yo, jurisdiction is the reason for SOPA

Or more accurately, lack of it.

Although to be fair I think SOPA is pretty benign now. I am actually sort of in favor of it as log as it doesn't harm american websites and as long as it doesn't require anyone to make special exceptions in the DNS.

Preventing American based advertisers and banks from paying foreign-based sites which would be prosecuted in the united states seems like something we should be able to do, so that Americans' unlimited ability to download hollywood movies from foreign based sites and songs from kontakte is limited.

America isn't overstepping its juridiction if it is only legislating what American companies can do.

That said, I disagree with the lack of due process in SOPA. I much prefer Issa's bill called OPEN. Issa rightly pointed out that there are better agencies for this than the attorney general's office, such as the ITC.

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

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post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yo, jurisdiction is the reason for SOPA

Or more accurately, lack of it.

Although to be fair I think SOPA is pretty benign now. I am actually sort of in favor of it as log as it doesn't harm american websites and as long as it doesn't require anyone to make special exceptions in the DNS.

Preventing American based advertisers and banks from paying foreign-based sites which would be prosecuted for being egregiously devoted to piracy or trademark infringement, in the united states seems like something we should be able to do, so that Americans' unlimited ability to download hollywood movies from foreign based sites and songs from kontakte is limited.

America isn't overstepping its juridiction if it is only legislating what American companies can do.

That said, I disagree with the lack of due process in SOPA. I much prefer Issa's bill called OPEN. Issa rightly pointed out that there are better agencies for this than the attorney general's office, such as the ITC.

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

#196
post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yo, jurisdiction is the reason for SOPA

Or more accurately, lack of it.

Although to be fair I think SOPA is pretty benign now. I am actually sort of in favor of it as log as it doesn't harm american websites and as long as it doesn't require anyone to make special exceptions in the DNS.

Preventing American based advertisers and banks from paying foreign-based sites which would be prosecuted for being egregiously devoted to piracy or trademark infringement, in the united states seems like something we should be able to do, so that Americans' unlimited ability to download hollywood movies from foreign based sites and songs from kontakte is limited.

America isn't overstepping its juridiction if it is only legislating what American companies can do.

That said, I disagree with the lack of due process in SOPA. I much prefer Issa's bill called OPEN. Issa rightly pointed out that there are better agencies for this than the attorney general's office, such as the ITC.

What I want to know is, where are the provisions in SOPA that say you can be thrown in jail for uploading a song? I thought SOPA was just about curtailing distribution of infringing material by foreign websites.

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

#197
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Personally I think that the OPEN act might be a better idea than SOPA. Why not give the infringing websites a chance to enter US courts and have due process, or face the consequences in, say, a week? This would make it more costly to prosecute them, but also give them a chance to explain themselves. The courts could possibly give another resolution than just ordering the intermediaries to doing business with them. Th…

Because "entering US courts" is a prohibitively expensive operation on its own; something that is frequently exploited by corporations to screw with individuals. The concept is called SLAPP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP ). Don't like what someone is doing? Sue them and hope (more often than not correctly) that they don't have the wherewithal to defend themselves.

ITC can do it, as per the OPEN bill.

Although to be fair I think SOPA is pretty benign now. I am actually sort of in favor of it as log as it doesn't harm american websites and as long as it doesn't require anyone to make special exceptions in the DNS.

Preventing American based advertisers and banks from paying foreign-based sites which would be prosecuted for being egregiously devoted to piracy or trademark infringement, in the united states seems like something we should be able to do, so that Americans' unlimited ability to download hollywood movies from foreign based sites and songs from kontakte is limited.

America isn't overstepping its juridiction if it is only legislating what American companies can do.

That said, I disagree with the lack of due process in SOPA. I much prefer Issa's bill called OPEN. Issa rightly pointed out that there are better agencies for this than the attorney general's office, such as the ITC.

What I want to know is, where are the provisions in SOPA that say you can be thrown in jail for uploading a song? I thought SOPA was just about curtailing distribution of infringing material by foreign websites.

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

#198

I hate that I feel this is an 11th hour response. I guess I just don't understand how a 99% community sponsored website with little direct advertising income or large sponsors would drag their feet on the issue. I do understand the 'late to the party, hard to miss' factor, but the opposite could have spurred more action from other sites. Hoping for a quicker response 'next time', but still damn good on you!

In a company there is a boss, and s/he can decide what to do.

In an online community, there's just people talking and chatting and politicking and all sorts of other stuff. We've been discussing this for weeks, and right up to the 24 hour deadline that the Foundation set, people were saying "we need more time!" Wikipedia's consensus process is slow, organic, bumpy and unpredictable. It's not like you can fire them or bribe them or threaten them with guns (which is basically what businesses and governments can do), you have to work with them as equals.

In short: community management and consensus building is hard.

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

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post #123

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Everything we need is already in the Constitution, in the First and Fourth Amendments of the Bill of Rights. We just have to defend our freedoms...through protest and through votes. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." --Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4,1777

Consider the Wikipedia shutdown a form of online protest. A small price to pay to defend our freedom.

One day is, honestly a too small price to pay. I know they would not go as far as this, but a blackout until the SOPA is dead and buried (i.e. not only one day) would be a better way of protest. Think of it as the equivalent of a hunger strike. That's only when you get lots of people worried/annoyed that they will be prompt to act. One day is not going to cut it.
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