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Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Are we at the point we should start suspecting sabotage? Or is this just usual Russian incompetence? This maybe news cycle bias, but since the Ukraine war, and threat of Russian pulling out of ISS program, these malfunctions have been more visible. Is anyone tracking these and similar incidents publicly?

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Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't most of the advanced science and engineering come from the USSR?

USSR =! Russia. Majority of main advances came from the satellites, such as Ukrainians (Glushko, Korolev, chelomei, etc.).

Not to mention some of the early tech having German origin (same in the West).

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Are we at the point we should start suspecting sabotage? Or is this just usual Russian incompetence? This maybe news cycle bias, but since the Ukraine war, and threat of Russian pulling out of ISS program, these malfunctions have been more visible. Is anyone tracking these and similar incidents publicly?

> is this just usual Russian incompetence? I don't think there is an impression of that or really ever has been. Russia has successfully launched humans into space more regularly and at a lower cost than the US for the last 60 years. (Well until the last few years) I think it's more likely that this is just an occurrence of something akin to the birthday paradox and sometimes things just happen. It's the narrative du…

It wasn’t that long ago they drilled a hole in a Soyuz, then patched it with epoxy and sent it up anyway, only for the epoxy to come out and cause a leak.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

#25

Are we at the point we should start suspecting sabotage? Or is this just usual Russian incompetence? This maybe news cycle bias, but since the Ukraine war, and threat of Russian pulling out of ISS program, these malfunctions have been more visible. Is anyone tracking these and similar incidents publicly?

That's like saying the Russian blown up the Nordstream pipeline to sabotage their own revenue stream.

A revenue stream that could only flow again if Putin were kicked out. Hard to imagine who might want a giant price on Putin’s head taken out.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sabotage could also have been done by the other side, to point out the russian incompetence and drive them out even earlier, but the risk/reward does not make this likely.

> Well, sabotage could also have been done by the other side, to point out the russian incompetence and drive them out even earlier, but the risk/reward does not make this likely. 1. NASA wants Russia to maintain a presence on the ISS. Many of the necessary functions for operating the ISS are spread across both the US (international) and Russian sides. If the Russians left, that would dramatically complicate operatio…

NASA isn't in the business of sabotaging, that would be the CIA. That means that

1. NASA cares about keeping the ISS alive, the CIA might have other priorities and care more about how this humiliates Russia much more than NASA

2. I would be more surprised if there were no CIA agents in the manufacturing pipeline of Soyuz spacecraft, never mind the launch site. Just strategically weaken some parts so they fail in orbit.

3. So let's use CIA operatives

I'm not saying it was the CIA. The CIA has motive and capability to do it. But it could as well be Russian corruption somewhere in the supply chain, or just bad luck

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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This comment section looks ridiculous. If the purpose of propoganda stories is to paint the Russians as untrustworthy to the Western world (hint: that is the purpose!) then it is surely effective.

Not sure why you are being downmodded, there's no need for "Russian" to be in the title here.

This is a very common trope from alt-right media. If the culprit is ever black, Muslim, or an immigrant, they will absolutely let you know in the headline.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Are we at the point we should start suspecting sabotage? Or is this just usual Russian incompetence? This maybe news cycle bias, but since the Ukraine war, and threat of Russian pulling out of ISS program, these malfunctions have been more visible. Is anyone tracking these and similar incidents publicly?

That's like saying the Russian blown up the Nordstream pipeline to sabotage their own revenue stream.

Many do this mistake to consider "Russia" instead of just Putin, those two entities interests do not align, so shit that might not make sense for Russia to do might make perfect sense for Putin to do.

We had the cases where instead of admitting that their warship was hit Putin regime pushed the narrative that it was just Russian incompetence.

So for sure it makes no sense for Russia to want their popes sabotage, but I am not sure about Putin, I can't understand his thinking, wither I am missing some information or his mind got corrupted by his own propaganda.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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This comment section looks ridiculous. If the purpose of propoganda stories is to paint the Russians as untrustworthy to the Western world (hint: that is the purpose!) then it is surely effective.

There is no way someone quoting "the usual Russian incompetence" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34764133) is asking in good faith…
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