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Noam Chomsky on ChatGPT: High-Tech Plagiarism, Way of Avoiding Learning

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Re: Noam Chomsky on ChatGPT: High-Tech Plagiarism, Way of Avoiding Learning

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I predict the rise of what I call "mental obesity".

Once the need to perform physical work vanished, those who did not consciously decide to train had a much higher chance of becoming obese. I expect that the mental capacities of some people will become less by the same effect.

What we will see is a separation between those who are taught why they write and decide to comply and those who just take the easy way out.

Re: Noam Chomsky on ChatGPT: High-Tech Plagiarism, Way of Avoiding Learning

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You learn a lot from ChatGPT though. If you want to know the ordinary answer to some essay question, cgpt will give you that. If you leave it at that and hand it in, maybe Chomsky is right. But it's also a essay writing productivity tool. You sketch out what you want mentioned and cgpt will fill in the gaps, like those apprentices that helped the renaissance masters. I keep coming back to the phrase "small intentions…

The model for mathematics is something like a “good book” of once-entered, unchanging posable questions and theorems. More may be added, but once added there is a sense of permanent definitiveness and relevance.

For your example and beyond-mathematics calculator analogy, maybe the dates of historical events are equally definitive, but I don’t see much beyond that being so. Science goes through transformations. Either the questions remain the same (what is there, what exists), but the answers to them change as science develops. Or, the questions change, and the answers don’t (what did plogiston, aether, or general relativity predict).

Your expanded “calculator” paradigm seems unfounded. It’s not analogous to math.

Re: Noam Chomsky on ChatGPT: High-Tech Plagiarism, Way of Avoiding Learning

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If a dumb robot can write your college essay for you, maybe we shouldn't be wasting time writing essays.

Computers can dictate words now, maybe we shouldn't waste time teaching toddlers to read.

I’m sure there will come a day where we won’t.

Re: Noam Chomsky on ChatGPT: High-Tech Plagiarism, Way of Avoiding Learning

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This thread is already full of people throwing in their cheap takes by reading the headline or not even that.

Listen to his answers. He's not making controversial claims, excepting the one that LLMs teach us nothing about language.

He says:

- ChatGPT makes it easier to cheat. This is obviously true.

- ChatGPT is a method of avoiding learning. In the context of the interview he's referring to its use not as an information retreival tool but as an actual essay writing tool. If we consider the latter, this is again obviously true. Not writing your essays teaches you nothing about essay writing, the topic at hand, and the process of thinking.

- LLMs teach us basically nothing about language. Seems controversial, but I'm not an expert at all.

- Education is in trouble because students are not engaged in education. We need education systems that are actually interesting and engaging. Again, this is obviously true.

- It's not obvious what value ChatGPT has. Kind of controversial, but I think it's not actually obvious that ChatGPT is currently most used for funny Tweets, SEO optimization, and marketing tools. So I think he's not really saying much to get angry about here.

Re: Noam Chomsky on ChatGPT: High-Tech Plagiarism, Way of Avoiding Learning

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I prefer Zizek's take on it: " that AI will be the death of learning & so on; to this, I say NO! My student brings me their essay, which has been written by AI, & I plug it into my grading AI, & we are free! While the 'learning' happens, our superego satisfied, we are free now to learn whatever we want"

Re: Noam Chomsky on ChatGPT: High-Tech Plagiarism, Way of Avoiding Learning

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is easy to say once you already understand how to write essays.

If someone wants to learn how to write an essay they can more easily look it up on the most vast interconnected knowledge base that has ever existed. I don’t understand the continued need for knowledge/educational gatekeepers.

You can look up anything on the internet.

The issue is figuring out what you want to look up.

You are not going to suddenly realize that writing essays might teach you about presenting an argument in an organized manner if you have never had to write an essay.

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The next generation of GPT should be one that can cite all its sources. Then it is basically google search on steroids

For certain things I think so. For me the fascinating and really useful utility of LLMs is their ability to synthesize answers to questions. This is something search generally speaking can't do. I find myself using ChatGPT to answer question like: > Explain tar -xzvf > Answer: The command tar -xzvf is used to extract a tar archive. Here is what each option does: -x: This option tells tar to extract the contents of th…

I've tried to use ChatGPT for such things. The huge issue is that it does makes mistake, quite often. You never really know if its answer is correct or not. When you already knows what tar xzvf does, it is impressive to read the correct answer. But when you don't know and want to actually make use the result, you need to double check with Google and you'll lose time compared to just asking Google. It's quite frustrating.
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