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Students suing elite U.S. colleges seek 'wealth favoritism' information

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Re: Students suing elite U.S. colleges seek 'wealth favoritism' information

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Post by antegamisou »

angmarsbane wrote: post #35

Isn’t part of the benefit of getting into these universities the fact that you get to interact with people from a wealthier economic class? You have the opportunity to meet people who can invest in your ventures or who can introduce you to people who can.

> You have the opportunity to meet people who can invest in your ventures.

and who are also completely lacking empathy for the financially challenged at best, disregard and look down upon the less privileged at worst. Both may lead to social isolation of persons with different socioeconomic background attending said schools.

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Post by q1w2 »

I used to work in the admissions office of a top 5 school in the US.

I was naive and initially shocked by "the list" when I was told about it. A list of applicants who were the children of faculty, staff, very large benefactors, and politicians. They could NOT be denied by any admissions councilor without a very serious reason (eg. convicted of a violent crime).

I raised an eyebrow.

Then I discovered that that list accounted for a full 25% of EVERY incoming class. Literally hundreds of students per year.

I raised the other eyebrow.

Then I realized that the constant and extreme push for diversity recruiting was to obfuscate the obvious nepotism and secrecy in admissions. The remaining part of the incoming class had to vastly overachieve diversity metrics so anyone questioning admissions or seeking transparency could be easily demonized for being .

They will never ever EVER allow transparency in admissions.

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Post by graphe »

> The prospective class action filed last year against 17 schools alleged a price-fixing conspiracy in which schools restricted financial aid, causing a class of potentially more than 200,000 students to over-pay for tuition by tens of millions of dollars. The lawsuit survived an early bid by the schools to dismiss it.

What does this mean? They didn't qualify for student aid, they qualifed and were denied, or they went to a school, saw they could have paid less and were upset?

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Post by rfrey »

Telemakhos wrote: post #30
Analemma_ wrote: post #17

To the people complaining about this: this is actually a very positive development that I welcome and you should too. This entire time, elite U.S. colleges have been carefully steering conversations about admissions in the direction of racial quotas, to avoid talking about how by far the largest driver of unfairness in the admissions process is legacy admissions and donation quid pro quo arrangements. If you want to…

Imagine what would happen if colleges fired their admissions departments, set aside all considerations of wealth and race, and had a database admit students with a single query on a result of standardized test results ordered from highest score to lowest, accepting students in that order until the year's class was filled.

Then you would have universities exclusively populated by people who are good at taking whatever type of standardized test you're administering.

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Post by therealcamino »

Telemakhos wrote: post #30
Analemma_ wrote: post #17

To the people complaining about this: this is actually a very positive development that I welcome and you should too. This entire time, elite U.S. colleges have been carefully steering conversations about admissions in the direction of racial quotas, to avoid talking about how by far the largest driver of unfairness in the admissions process is legacy admissions and donation quid pro quo arrangements. If you want to…

Imagine what would happen if colleges fired their admissions departments, set aside all considerations of wealth and race, and had a database admit students with a single query on a result of standardized test results ordered from highest score to lowest, accepting students in that order until the year's class was filled.

What would happen is you'd still get a result shaped by wealth and race, just laundered through a layer of standardized testing.

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Post by LarryMullins »

bloodyplonker22 wrote: post #37

This is the type of equality of opportunity that is worth fighting for rather than the racist type which included acts such as affirmative action.

The last time this sort of class-awareness trend got started in America was Occupy Wall Street, and the corporate media killed it by platforming and showcasing the looniest most alienating fringes of that movement, starting the descent into the 'racist' style of progressive activism which most of the public find alienating (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/02/25/most-americ...)

I think they'll do it again. If this movement finds legs and makes itself hard to ignore, then the corporate media will once again use their editorial powers to shift the conversation away from the class narrative, probably again in the direction of divisive race politics.

Re: Students suing elite U.S. colleges seek 'wealth favoritism' information

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Post by antegamisou »

bloodyplonker22 wrote: post #37

This is the type of equality of opportunity that is worth fighting for rather than the racist type which included acts such as affirmative action.

Hopefully Americans eventually are waking up and realize that the actual oppressors can be any of race/gender identity/sexual orientation, but what they all have in common is revenue that either directly or indirectly cone from the exploitation of the masses.

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Post by dismantlethesun »

peacefulhat wrote: post #38
angmarsbane wrote: post #35

Isn’t part of the benefit of getting into these universities the fact that you get to interact with people from a wealthier economic class? You have the opportunity to meet people who can invest in your ventures or who can introduce you to people who can.

not if they took your seat

If you dont give the wealthy an unfair seat then they will not be in that university.

Instead they will be forced to go to another private school which will receive their endowments, and soon grow to the point they can compete with elite schools. Harvard, et all will still be good schools but not the "best" schools that people die to get into.

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Post by [deleted] »

therealcamino wrote: post #46
Telemakhos wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine what would happen if colleges fired their admissions departments, set aside all considerations of wealth and race, and had a database admit students with a single query on a result of standardized test results ordered from highest score to lowest, accepting students in that order until the year's class was filled.

What would happen is you'd still get a result shaped by wealth and race, just laundered through a layer of standardized testing.

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