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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

thehappypm wrote: post #22
FollowingTheDao wrote: post #10

To say this is true for every human being is an assault on the field of genetics. There are several voltage gated ion channels that are inhibited by ethanol. So ethanol can clearly be seen as a medicine in those with genetic changes in these genes that cause channel channelopathies. And anecdotally, my grandfather drank a lot. Not an alcoholic, but he was no teetotaler, and I would often see him sneaking shots of vod…

Sneaking shots is alcoholic behavior.

Give me a break. Do you know my grandfather? When I said sneaking shot, it wasn’t that he was hiding it from anyone. Don’t misinterpret what I say.

How do you feel if he wasn’t alcoholic so what? That’s not relevant here the relevance is how it affected his health. He was healthy till he was 99. As well as his marriage and family life. He was a barber till was 82.

Tired of you people turning everything into a pathology.

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sh4rks wrote: post #21

> However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week Half a litre of beer a day is considered "light"?

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Post by zabzonk »

sh4rks wrote: post #21

> However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week Half a litre of beer a day is considered "light"?

it is where i come from - uk.

also they don't say how many of those cancers can actually be attributed directly to alcohol consumption. my guess would be few.

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Post by subpixel »

sh4rks wrote: post #21

> However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week Half a litre of beer a day is considered "light"?

That’s one bottle of beer. I’d call that light.

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Post by nordsieck »

paiute wrote: post #15

The thinking is backwards on this. They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

> They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

Which is ironic, because, while most people use the "Linear no-threshold" model for radiation, we know that small amounts of radiation are actually beneficial.

The most charitable reason I can think of for why people still use the LNT model is because it's simple and robust. But that doesn't mean that it's the most accurate understanding that we have.

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Post by berndi »

6d6b73 wrote: post #13
coldtea wrote: post #3

There's also a limit between a healthy lifestyle and enjoyment of life, beyond which towards "maximum health" you'll either go to an early grave because of how bland your life is, or live a joyless life avoiding things you'd enjoy. In any case, those kind of "research" is for modern americans (and people taking their cues from anglosaxon culture) , who are already conditioned in such hysteria - which is funny in the…

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The vast majority of people enjoy drinking and do so responsibly.

I absolutely respect people who drink in a measured way to enrich their life, instead of trying to maximize their lifespan by some minuscule amount.

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Post by terminalcommand »

6d6b73 wrote: post #13
coldtea wrote: post #3

There's also a limit between a healthy lifestyle and enjoyment of life, beyond which towards "maximum health" you'll either go to an early grave because of how bland your life is, or live a joyless life avoiding things you'd enjoy. In any case, those kind of "research" is for modern americans (and people taking their cues from anglosaxon culture) , who are already conditioned in such hysteria - which is funny in the…

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Do you need sugar, red meat, fat to have a joyful life? You do, don't you. Having a glass of wine or two should be treated the same.

If you have religious reservations, please use your energy to fight off islamists who deal drugs, take bribes and marry with young children. Those sin more than people who indulge in a glass of wine or two.

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Post by B8MGHCBekDuRi »

pard68 wrote: post #9

I enjoy a cigar or pipe once in a while. I enjoy a few fingers of bourbon now and then. I've been known to put back a few bottles of Coors on the weekend. Not once have I thought, "yup this'll make me healthier [physically]."

You nailed it.

Nobody does everything they do because they think "this is good for my health".

We usually avoid stuff that is very bad for our health, but life is not just about going on for years avoiding any risk at all cost.

Unless you are American, you pretend to like the monk life and then eat garbage directly from the garbage can

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/opinion/food-nutrition-he...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/opinion/sway-kara-swisher...

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Post by BirAdam »

6d6b73 wrote: post #13
coldtea wrote: post #3

There's also a limit between a healthy lifestyle and enjoyment of life, beyond which towards "maximum health" you'll either go to an early grave because of how bland your life is, or live a joyless life avoiding things you'd enjoy. In any case, those kind of "research" is for modern americans (and people taking their cues from anglosaxon culture) , who are already conditioned in such hysteria - which is funny in the…

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Joy and need are not necessarily related things. Get over yourself.
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