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ChatGPT Hype Is Proof Nobody Understands AI

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Re: ChatGPT Hype Is Proof Nobody Understands AI

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Post by fzeroracer »

intelVISA wrote: post #7
nh23423fefe wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah boring, god of the gaps. Imagine being the 10000th person to give this uninspired take. > Cats have a representation of the world that help them navigate it. They also have instincts programmed into their brains, allowing them to act with relative logic. In contrast, GPT and Co only have patterns of human-written text devoid of meaning. This is wrong. To say chatgpt doesn't represent the world instead it only ha…

It's always tech-adjacent types that drop these crap takes from what I've seen. Maybe they're threatened as SWEs are last to go when LLMs can generate code - someone has to check it; we just won't need two PMs, scrum lord and a BI attaché for that... ChatGPT has allowed me to explore programming topics where there is, otherwise, very little useful information - it won't produce good code verbatim but it doesn't have…

If there is otherwise very little information then where do you think ChatGPT is pulling that information from? It does not pull stuff out of the void, it's only as accurate as the data shoved into it and that data can be very wrong.

People get into a state of false confidence using ChatGPT for things they cannot easily fact check.

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Post by fintechie »

> Both Google and Microsoft are pulling the same shady technique [...] They will ship free bullshit-generators and say it’s up to everyday people to sift through the mess.

Can't really understand the meltdown some people are having... Honestly, what you get from well trained GPTs doesn't seem that different than getting search results and and sifting through human-generated bs yourself... including biased mainstream newspapers, stupid StackOverflow answers, self-made wikipedia articles, opinionated blogposts, and a long etc that you need to double-check anyways.

That probably makes LLMs more human xD, at least at this early stage. They should get better with time (hopefully).

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Post by Aperocky »

I've find two groups of people on this subject, first one has taken a graduate level stat course and/or ML course, and may have work experience in machine learning/data science. The latter camp is more numerous and did not do those things.

The latter group are far more hyped about ChatGPT et al, despite explanation by the first group.

Don't get me wrong, ChatGPT is very exciting, just not in the way it is frequently portrait to be, in particular, development on this model will not lead to General Intelligence, which is not a data training/stat problem altogether. With how the ML field is shaping up to be today, it doesn't even look to be a Machine Learning problem.

Re: ChatGPT Hype Is Proof Nobody Understands AI

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Post by m348e912 »

diceduckmonk wrote: post #10
m348e912 wrote: post #2

Sigh. This guy can chirp about how "ChatGPT doesn't understand what it's been asked" as much as he wants but he is missing the forest for the trees. I'll use myself as example. ChatGPT can write better than me, it can summarize better than me, it can research quicker than I can, and it is more creative than I can ever be. I don't care if it "understands" in a way that would satisfy Nabil Alouani, its ability to produ…

Was this your opinion or ChatGPT’s?

The fact that you're asking that sort of proves my point. (I know you're probably trying to be funny though)

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Post by fintechie »

Aperocky wrote: post #14

I've find two groups of people on this subject, first one has taken a graduate level stat course and/or ML course, and may have work experience in machine learning/data science. The latter camp is more numerous and did not do those things. The latter group are far more hyped about ChatGPT et al, despite explanation by the first group. Don't get me wrong, ChatGPT is very exciting, just not in the way it is frequently…

> first one has taken a graduate level stat course and/or ML course, and may have work experience in machine learning/data science

I think it's just a few people getting salty because they understand "how it works" but don't understand "why is getting popular". So they start to shout from their ivory tower without realising the tectonic shift under way.

Sort of, you know how to build a stupid mobile video/photo app, but fail to make it popular like facebook, instagram, tiktok, etc. The tech used is certainly not transformative on the surface, but the implications of mass adoption and impact at a societal level are huge.

I for one I'm excited about its usefulness and how this is going to speed up the AI race. The genie is out of the bottle.

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Post by qsort »

Aperocky wrote: post #14

I've find two groups of people on this subject, first one has taken a graduate level stat course and/or ML course, and may have work experience in machine learning/data science. The latter camp is more numerous and did not do those things. The latter group are far more hyped about ChatGPT et al, despite explanation by the first group. Don't get me wrong, ChatGPT is very exciting, just not in the way it is frequently…

I think there's a further split between "academic experience" and "real world experience".

I'm mostly a developer to be honest, but my job title is technically "data scientist". From my experience most stuff I see is not a math problem, it's a data problem.

You want to optimize $thing? Well, you'll need a pipeline to fetch the necessary data and have them ready on demand, and that's actually harder than modeling.

This isn't a dunk on math or research; I'm a math fan (?) if anything, I just find a large part of the discussion around ML to be very far removed from the reality on the ground.

Re: ChatGPT Hype Is Proof Nobody Understands AI

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Post by jetsnoc »

One might argue that intuition and understanding are simply complex cognitive processes that occur within the brain. In a similar vein, I think ChatGPT will evolve to understand and intuit through integrating with additional advanced machine learning models. Think of ChatGPT having side-car machine-learning models guiding it and having it edit the outputs as it writes. Similar to how we correct ourselves or rephrase something. I don't know what these look like but maybe they would be models for cultural norms (select your 'culture'), social norms, math, sciences and morality. Weighted decisions are made based on "values."

Cognitive processes as we think and speak are constantly refining our thoughts and understanding. Refining our outputs. I believe that is what comes next to advance ML. There might be a lot of hype right now but ChatGPT is a reminder in how far we have come and a small preview of what the future looks like.

Disclaimer:

  - I don't know anything about anything. 
  - I already find ChatGPT useful. 
  - I might be biased, I was a Loopt user as far back as 2007. I will buy about anything sama sells.
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