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Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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Or the reverse take, at Meta, ICs find the projects on teams that excite them and they are the ones empowered to decide what is a good fit for themselves.

That's likely still true at Apple, but you gotta start somewhere.

Anyone know what internal mobility is like at Apple? At Meta it's pretty easy to move teams once you hit the 1 year mark.

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> [Apple is] probably one of the best run companies in the world. I would argue that perhaps Apple's business side of things is arguably well-run. I personally disagree; I think that since Tim Cook has taken over, Apple's business focus is more on short-term gains instead of long-term quality. But I would also strongly argue that their software side of things has been trending downward ( especially in terms of qualit…

I don't know, people have been lamenting the poor quality of Apple software and how much better it was in the old days since I got my first Mac in 2007, at least that's when I became aware of the complaints. If it was really on a substantial continual down trend from then, by now nothing would work at all. Apple continues to invest massively in software, that means a ton of new code, which means a ton of new bugs. Yo…

Yeah - people have been saying the mac software has been in decline for as long as there's been mac software. If you have enough users some fraction of them are going to get hit by some rare bug and declare the software is crap, even if it is 0.001% of the users.

My m1 mbp is the best laptop I've ever owned, and I've owned a lot. I don't really use any mac software though - just a terminal, emacs, and a web browser. Macos just stays out of the way and causes no problems. I routinely get 1 or 2 months of uptime - only ever needing to reboot to apply system updates. Maybe if I used more mac software I would see this supposed decline.

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What feature of the pro makes it worth $150 ($650 if you have the larger screen) more than the comparable iPad?

The basic iPads don’t have laminated displays, are smaller, heavier and come with older CPUs and less memory. So the decision for me is between iPad Air and Pro. Frankly which makes the best buy varies. My current iPad is an M1 Pro that’s just over a year old, but my brother bought one last summer and got an Air, and if I’d been buying one then I’d have done the same. Sometimes it comes down to which was refreshed mo…

Yeah, I mean you’ve more or less reiterated what I said. The hardware is very nice. And if you play a game where you calculate the hardware/$, the iPad pro makes sense.

When you really ask yourself what workload you’re doing on an iPad that requires anything more than an A16 is … I think you’ll find there isn’t much. You’re limited to iPad apps. You can’t even install a browser that isn’t a safari skin. Multitasking is horrible. The mouse/touch interface has weird janky things (like text selection).

You don’t have an escape key or a function row, so even many web apps are broken.

The iPad pro is about the same price as an M2 Macbook Air, and significantly more expensive than an M1 Macbook Air. While the hardware looks comparable, the software makes the hardware more or less useless.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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True, but misleading. Amazon gives big cash bonuses to new hires in years 1 and 2 in order to compensate for the back-weighted vesting schedule.

As big as 20% of their RSU grant + the bonus they would get at another company would be? If not, not misleading at all.

Comp is meant to stay stable at the agreed upon target for the first two years. There is a cash bonus for years 1 and 2 used to offset the vesting schedule. The final 2 years are really dependent on stock performance. For example, I basically will need AMZN stock to get increase by 25% from todays value by Jan 2025 to be making what I did for the first two years.

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I don't know, people have been lamenting the poor quality of Apple software and how much better it was in the old days since I got my first Mac in 2007, at least that's when I became aware of the complaints. If it was really on a substantial continual down trend from then, by now nothing would work at all. Apple continues to invest massively in software, that means a ton of new code, which means a ton of new bugs. Yo…

Ehh, Apple has some big misses. Their software objectively sucks. OS X has gotten buggier and slower over the years. I traded “it just works” for the speed and customization of linux years ago and would _really_ like the benefits of Apple hardware but can’t bite the bullet on Apple software (Asahi isn’t in a good enough spot yet to be my primary computer imo). The iPad pro line is a travesty. IPadOS is horrible, Appl…

The only claim I think is objective here is IpadOS. And even then to say it's a "travesty" is hyperbole.

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"Depending on the job and the person it can take a full year to be fully competent in a job." Some of us never become competent.

And if you do become competent, you're soon promoted to another job you're not competent for.

For example, teaching new hires to do the job you just stopped doing in order to teach them - only for them to take over teaching the next batch as soon as they become somewhat competent.

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I definitely blame the Fed. It's pretty hard to be in charge of a public company and say no to the shareholders who want you to take advantage of the sudden bubble in demand. Companies would have been punished for not growing, and now they are being punished if they don't shrink. Who created that perverse system of incentives? The Fed, by making a number of mistakes in the past decade that kept the economy overbooste…

Where this logic irritates me the most is in the housing market. Similarly to those who blame companies for over hiring to meet pandemic demand, I've seen some people suggest the average home buyer was being reckless for buying a home during the pandemic, because "they brought the bubble!" I guess it's strange to me how the Fed can pump every asset class to the moon, force companies to over hire to meet demand, and c…

> I guess it's strange to me how the Fed can pump every asset class to the moon, force companies to over hire to meet demand, and cause a huge inflationary problem for consumers

There were no consumer inflation issues for the past decade. It took a once in a life time pandemic supply shock to cause those issues. You're being unfair.

It's easy to blame the fed for all your problems. The fact is inflation was stable and the economy was just fine prior to the COVID19 pandemic. I don't think any amount of rate raises prior to 2020 would have had any appreciable impact on what we're facing now. Most of these layoffs are happening in the tech sector. Others are healthy. This isn't an economy wide problem yet. It's hard to not blame the individual companies for poor management.

> Instead I find I'm invited to blame the average business or home owner for being "reckless" for hiring to meet demand for buying a home for their family, while praising the Fed for "doing what's necessary"? Give me a break.

The fact is if you want what you want and want it now, and everyone else does, you have to pay. It's easy to say "oh they should've raised rates in 2017 or 2014" in 2022. It was much harder to say back then.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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Apple is known for going with tiny teams rather than the gigantic, bloated trees of VPs and Directors that other companies have. Their CFO even spoke[1] publicly about it, a rarity. Sometimes you just need a team of two people reporting to the CFO to do something. You don't need 2 SVPs, with 10 VPs, with 80 Directors, each with trees of management/ICs to do the same thing. 1: https://twitter.com/workmj/status/1595324…

This is slightly misleading,

Apple relies a lot on contractors. Those 2 IR folks likely have 2-3 comms firms on retainer. Those 7 treasury folks likely have an entire team staffed at a major bank.

Some companies decide to source labor in house, others don’t.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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This is assuming that layoffs affect the correct group of people, in which case the obvious question is why couldn't those people be informed earlier and been given a choice to find a different position or to improve their performance? At Google specifically, many high performers were laid off without explanation. When entire programs were cut, many general-purpose programmers were lost simply due to being in the wro…

It's not "don't trust out performance evaluations". The point of perf evals is rarely to fire people, it's primary use is to manage expectations of promotion. > This is assuming that layoffs affect the correct group of people Layoffs often don't target the right group of people when it comes to perf. There's error in human judgement abound. But it's 100% accurate when it comes to which business units are bringing in…

You have a laughable over estimation of executives ability to value risk/reward ratios.

I’m half expecting you start quoting atlas shrugged here.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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Hiring at Apple was limited because they don’t pay competitively and they only get the “true believer” types that are willing to work more hours at a discount. Source: a low level manager at Apple.

> Source: a low level manager at Apple You or a friend?

A friend.
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