Blowing Holes in Seymour Hersh's Pipe Dream

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 12:54 AM UTC

smcl wrote: post #154

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #151

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I’m genuinely curious where the gymnastic is? I am asking in good faith. What is Russia’s interest in sabotaging it? They can’t sell gas to fund their war machine. What’s the US interest? Now Europe must buy LNG from our fantastic gas companies. US exports of LNG are at an all time high price. Europe is pissed off at our rival. Not to mention our commander in chief threatened to blow it up, why? Everything here says…

What people are saying is that he wouldn't be stupid enough to kill off something that is a vital source of foreign currency in wartime, and could be used as leverage in negotiating with the EU. Except it wasn't operational and was proving to be useless as a bargaining chip. The gymnastics come in believing that the guy who was willing to throw caution to the wind in starting a war with Ukraine (causing his economy t…

Post by BWStearns » Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 12:56 AM UTC

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BWStearns wrote: post #167

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If you don’t bother to fact check your evidence before making serious accusations then yes, one should shut up. Circumstantial evidence is still evidence yes, but this is just a bunch of shit that is observably false followed by salacious assertions. Presenting claims that are trivially falsifiable as true without bothering to apply skepticism because it plays into your favored narrative is not journalism. It’s whate…

I don't understand how it is "observably false". It seems at least like a plausible story, although without hard evidence no one can say for sure. Calling the whole story "observably false" and "trivially falsifiable" seems to way overstate the case, and I wonder what the motivation and emotion behind that is.

Post by sschueller » Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 1:04 AM UTC

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Let me also add these point that everyone seems to want to ignore: NordStream 2 was never put into service. Germany halted it due to the invasion. This was considered a very big deal. At the time of the explosion on 26 Sep there had been no gas flowing on NordStream 1 at all. None! Flows on NS1 were shutdown by Russia on 31 Aug. This came after a series of declining flows from Russia accompanied by various efforts by…

> (one of those pipes was suspiciously left undamaged). You do not offer any reason for Russia to blow up three of four pipelines just to leave around one.

Post by heyda » Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 1:17 AM UTC

AlanYx wrote: post #125

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> I would like to believe that this is possible within a few months. Setting a specific date is difficult. But we are now trying to qualify the P-8 aircraft and crews for operational service from the end of the first quarter of 2023, confirms Rolf Folland, head of the Air Force to TV 2. Translated from this piece published in November 2022: https://www.tv2.no/nyheter/innenriks/settes-i-beredskap-rask... So the planes…

Thanks. That sounds like it rules out the Norwegian P-8 claim.

Post by aaron695 » Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 1:31 AM UTC

travisgriggs wrote: post #84

I actually was drawn into reading this much more than the original article. I found myself going into skim mode with the original Hersh article. So ironically, I actually learned more about Hersh's claims reading this article than the original. I've worked with a bunch of old people of late. And I'm saying that from the reference point of 52. It's hard. I don't want to be an ageist. But I regularly see how hard it is…