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Money Laundering and AML Compliance

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Re: Money Laundering and AML Compliance

#81

> At many institutions, one SAR is a non-event. Two, for a retail client, means one gets a letter saying the bank wishes you the best in your future endeavors and will not bank you anymore. That letter will often mention that this is a commercial decision of the bank and will not be reversed. Some clients receiving that letter will, on attempting to open account at a different bank, get refused because the first bank…

Because the former is a straw man as is the latter?

Do you have a specific policy you are concerned about that we could rationally talk about or only talk radio talking points?

Re: Money Laundering and AML Compliance

#82
post #3

Every post from patio11 is such a joy to read: precise, exact, descriptive, and entertaining. I'd love to understand where his writing style comes from and how to emulate it.

I think it's a witty and knowing but rather opaque writing style that's designed to make you work. Often worth the effort, but he could use an editor or beta tester to help dial it back a bit.

There were a few times when I almost sent him a tweet that he got some logic backwards, but after rereading, I realized that I had misread it, that it's right but confusing.

Re: Money Laundering and AML Compliance

#83

It is expensive to keep a crime and corruption department on your banking institution. If you are dealing with a millionaire who is related to some oil mogul in Russia you can do your due diligence and Vladimirovich can hire a team of accountants to prove that his business is legit and not at all related to the corporativist oligarchy his uncle runs. Or it might be, but the risk vs reward is good enough to turn a bli…

I know I'm expressing a minority opinion on this, but I'd much rather have an unregulated system where I was able to send and receive money without any sort of hassle or oversight, even if criminals and people frowned upon by the people who run SWIFT are able to do the same.

Re: Money Laundering and AML Compliance

#84

It is expensive to keep a crime and corruption department on your banking institution. If you are dealing with a millionaire who is related to some oil mogul in Russia you can do your due diligence and Vladimirovich can hire a team of accountants to prove that his business is legit and not at all related to the corporativist oligarchy his uncle runs. Or it might be, but the risk vs reward is good enough to turn a bli…

There’s a really great book called Kleptopia by T. Burgis. It’s about how wealthy oligarchs use the Western legal and banking systems. He points out that the US financial system is squeaky clean. Oligarchs wind up in prison because they think they can pull the crap in New York that they pull in London. But outside the financial sector it’s the 100% opposite. Americas permissive corporate transparency lets assets vani…

The USA is the only economically significant country that opts out of participating in the Common Reporting Standard (CRS) data exchange. The USA claim that FACTA is enough. This puts the USA in the unique position where it only receives information from other countries through FACTA and its IGAs, without providing any information in return.

Why doesn't it provide information in return? Well, only specific bank accounts are subject to FACTA:

- Accounts of individuals who are not US taxpayers.

- US deposit accounts of individuals and entities that are not US taxpayers to which US income flows.

And certain types are exempted from the data agreement:

- US corporate accounts, even when foreign companies hold these US accounts.

- Investment accounts and custodial accounts (of individuals and entities), even when they are a resident in the FACTA partner country. This is true, as long as the custody account doesn't have income flows into this accounts (eg dividends or interests). Example: A German has a custody account in the USA and holds German shares in it. This data won't be disclosed to Germany. You probably know where this leads to...

If you think you are now in the need for an American corporate account, don't worry, we got you covered! Delaware offers setups without the need to file yearly lists of managers, owners (shareholders), directors, or members.

In case this is not sufficient for you because tax evasion isn't enough, and you are doing some really shady business, don't look further than this weird US arm called “Puerto Rico”. It is common knowledge among wealthy (and fishy) Europeans and Russians to just park your money there. Banks like the Euro Pacific bank allowed you to keep your money safe, and even allowed you to trade stocks electronically through IBKR without any disclosure to anyone. (ok, maybe the EuroPac Bank was too well known for this because they had to close down, but don't worry, there are a bunch of alternatives like facebank).

Combining a PR bank account with a Belize company is also very popular for money laundering. You know, Stripe doesn't allow banana republics, but for whatever reason PR is allowed there.

The setup is to create a company in Belize with a heavenly tax rate of 0% and just laundering through it to your bank account in PR. This is mostly used for companies who straight up do illegal things, but you know, you can sell virtual stuff all day long and it scales infinitely.

My personal opinion is that the USA doesn't want to disclose anything to third parties because they know too well that too much transparency would make them unattractive as the financial centre of the world. While they want to nail down US tax evaders at all costs, they have little motivation to fuck around with the billions of foreign capital in the US by providing too much information/support to foreign tax authorities.

Re: Money Laundering and AML Compliance

#85

> At many institutions, one SAR is a non-event. Two, for a retail client, means one gets a letter saying the bank wishes you the best in your future endeavors and will not bank you anymore. That letter will often mention that this is a commercial decision of the bank and will not be reversed. Some clients receiving that letter will, on attempting to open account at a different bank, get refused because the first bank…

Because the former is a straw man as is the latter? Do you have a specific policy you are concerned about that we could rationally talk about or only talk radio talking points?

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Re: Money Laundering and AML Compliance

#86
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like, they offered you $1MM (clean) to put $100MM cash in a suitcase and smuggle it through customs? Or to babysit it on a chartered flight and claim it was yours at customs? Because those feel pretty different.

I doubt the $1M in cash was in any way clean.

$1M in cash is never clean without a credible narrative attached to it, backed up by a paper trail.

Re: Money Laundering and AML Compliance

#87

> At many institutions, one SAR is a non-event. Two, for a retail client, means one gets a letter saying the bank wishes you the best in your future endeavors and will not bank you anymore. That letter will often mention that this is a commercial decision of the bank and will not be reversed. Some clients receiving that letter will, on attempting to open account at a different bank, get refused because the first bank…

Because the former is a straw man as is the latter? Do you have a specific policy you are concerned about that we could rationally talk about or only talk radio talking points?

The latter is a correct summary of what TFA says actually happens. Also hi, yes, it's me, I'm debanked at most US banks without wrongdoing.

Re: Money Laundering and AML Compliance

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sites like Paypal and Skrill did this because they know most people would otherwise just cancel on sign up , and when you've got money locked in you have no choice but to complete verification. Thankfully i haven't had to deal with their crap in the past 4 years due to better options existing.

You cannot end such a compelling sentence.. and not finish your thoughts in writing!! What are the better options?

wise.com for example.

Re: Money Laundering and AML Compliance

#89

It is expensive to keep a crime and corruption department on your banking institution. If you are dealing with a millionaire who is related to some oil mogul in Russia you can do your due diligence and Vladimirovich can hire a team of accountants to prove that his business is legit and not at all related to the corporativist oligarchy his uncle runs. Or it might be, but the risk vs reward is good enough to turn a bli…

I know I'm expressing a minority opinion on this, but I'd much rather have an unregulated system where I was able to send and receive money without any sort of hassle or oversight, even if criminals and people frowned upon by the people who run SWIFT are able to do the same.

I think you just described cryptocurrencies? Or did I miss the joke?

Re: Money Laundering and AML Compliance

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the former is a straw man as is the latter? Do you have a specific policy you are concerned about that we could rationally talk about or only talk radio talking points?

The latter is a correct summary of what TFA says actually happens. Also hi, yes, it's me, I'm debanked at most US banks without wrongdoing.

I'm also debanked, but sporadically, and weirdly at only some investment institutions. Fidelity outright banned me and demanded I call in to withdraw my money between absurd hours. I sent them an intent to file a lawsuit and I got my money wired within 48 hours. Vanguard and TD Ameritrade have no problem taking my money.

I'm also banned at Zelle, but Venmo and CashApp and Paypal are all fine.

What a weird world.

Of course none of them will tell me why I'm banned. I have my suspicions.

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