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Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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This might not be relevant to medium's downward spiral, but as a reader I find that medium is a marker for content of very low quality.

I follow a lot of personal blogs and over the years less than 3 medium posts (not even whole blogs) made it into my bookmarks.

When searching the web, medium content is often times just 1 or 2 steps above the worst SEO spam sites.

In short: I avoid medium.com links most of the time. It's basically the site for people that just want to write tons of clickbait low quality content to "build their brand".

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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I'm Medium's current CEO as of last July. I actually pay a lot of attention to this sentiment on Hacker News. For example, I've bookmarked and often share this recent HN poll where 88% of people here think there's a negative stigma to a medium article. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33223222 It's sad and entirely our fault. We didn't fail but we did lose our way. Here's how I see it: 1. Lost our way on recommen…

Honestly the paywall has trained me to avoid clicking on anything from medium.com… I wish it was more nuanced than that, but the reality is that the content is not essential enough to justify a subscription. The Substack model is more sustainable, but something about their incentive model or community design seems to result in impenetrable 9000 word essays. In either case, "what if blog posts cost money" is a tough b…

It sounds like you have a casual interest in longform articles. These subscription-driven publications are making their content more appealing to people who value longform enough to pay, which means the articles/emails are becoming really longform to appeal to those who like it the most.

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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do all platforms go through this? if so, it's very sad.

It's a sort-of inevitable thing when your focus becomes earnings and growth rather than whatever your actual business is. Facebook's business was providing a common platform for people that know each other to share publicly. Twitter's business was a billboard to share what they're doing. Google's business was to provide a way to find things on the web. Unfortunately, none of those things is particularly easy to charg…

None of those things was Facebook or Twitter's business, because none was how they make money. Facebook and Twitter are for-proffit businesses, and for almost all of their history the money has come from selling advertising and surveillance (its pretty clear that birdsite guy never understood that twitter users are his products and advertisers are his customers). There are not many alternatives if you want to provide a centralized global service for tens of millions of users. So my web presence focuses on things hosted by small companies or run by community members, not on giant 'free' corporate services.

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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I heard AOL was doing great in revenue too. It won't happen over night, of course there will be a temporary boost in revenue when one decides to force everyone that visits the site to pay. How much of that is from existing NYTimes subscribers, marketing tactics (eg. wordle), shady subscription offer deals, forgotten subscriptions, and lack of suitable competition. Over time though that withers and once that withering…

The New York Times's paywall is more than a decade old at this point.

Then something changed recently then as I personally never noticed an annoyance on nytimes til recent years after where it seemed any article required paywall.

In addition, there is one important thing that is not being paywalled (yet), the 'news' value of nytimes is still accessible via the headline + summary on the front page.

The moment the guys chasing a buck remove that is the day nytimes dies.

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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That implies that NYTimes is thriving after their inclusion of paywall. It's not. It's on the same path as medium and slowly over time other venues of information are (stealthily) eating its lunch. There will be a 'Why did nytimes.com "fail"?' HN post in a few years from now.

The NYTimes digital subscription is doing north of $800M/year. That’s successful in my book.

This is my impression as well, about NYT's business.

The "internet person" knee jerk response about paywalls, does have a certain degree of truth about relevance of journalism though, but that's a longer term loss of a commons rather than a business model issue, at least right now.

Soft paywalls often allow you to read a few articles when you click through to google, but then you share an article with someone who's wrong on the internet. And you end up looking like a ding-a-ling because a paywall is presented when the user opens the article url directly with no google referrer, and no normal person is going to google an article to be allow to read an opposing view.

Essentially, it's a shame that the open web business model didn't work for 'real' journalism, because there's plenty of dogshit-tier content to happily take its place.

Here in Finland, public service broadcaster Yle has been a good source for good information in text form, but the media industry has fought tooth and nail to try and impose limits like Yle only being allowed to publish certain types of longer-form journalistic text, like investigations when enough rich media is included.

I can appreciate the argument about public service distorting the market in this case, but I'm really worried about the local information that's going to be available sans paywall on search engines in the long run with these restrictions.

It's unclear how big the impact of the above is going to be, but remember, this is a small market, too. Especially if Yle's budgets are slashed to allow less longer-form journalism that qualifies for web publishing with the rules, it might get hairy.

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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The enshittification cycle has always been here, but progress continues. It just feels like things are getting worse as the programs we grew up on enter the shit-zone part of their lifecycle.

Wikipedia seems like a weird exception to this rule.

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Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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I recommend https://write.as if you just want a clean, minimalist blog platform with photo hosting and minimal effort. Integrates with RSS, mail, even ActivityPub/Mastodon. Write in Markdown. No ads. Or self-host this software as F/OSS with WriteFreely if you want full control or think $6/mo is kinda steep. You can add interaction (blog post comments) via e.g. Commento if you dislike the invasive Disqus, as you should...

It reminds me of Medium before all the bullshit.

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

#219
I think that the internet is overpopulated.

It creates ephemeral platforms that strives for a little while and become slave to the imperatives that drives revenu (ads, data) instead of staying true to themselves they corrupt their core in the name of viability, effectively rendering them shitty.

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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There is a huge difference between the NYTimes and Medium. For readers, the content on Medium is fungible: if it goes away today, it's easily replaceable by the 100 other user driven sites like it. I'm not saying that the content on Medium is bad, but it's easily replaceable. The NYTimes provides a level of journalism that is not easily replaceable by letting a bunch of random people blog. That's why their subscripti…

The best of Medium is better than the best of the NYTimes and isn’t fungible at all. That’s not refuting what you see. To get those gems you see too many me too articles. You are right.

That is a good point...if you had some way of putting this amazing content at the top, then Medium would have a chance. In that regard I think Medium has the same problem as Soureforge.

I've seen tons of medium articles and to me it always seemed like random ranting and a pulpit for leftists, rather than a serious platform. I hope you can do something about it.

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