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A great many people are incredibly uncomfortable with the idea of death, and installations like this, and similar works of art, are a great antidote. Accepting death as the price of life might be a bit difficult for people raised in a culture that worships perpetual youth and which dreams of immortality, perhaps in the form of a digital silicon upload, but it's really a sign of maturity. Taking a minute or so out of…

Personally, I find a lot of truth in what you say but I vehemently disagree with the premise that we should accept death as the price of life. Of course, we need to be realistic and acknowledge that everyone living will all almost certainly die one day but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive for a future without death. I think that CGP Grey's video, Fable of the Dragon-Tyrant, does a wonderful job arguing this…

I disagree with the idea of trying to defy death itself, as it is a physical impossibility due to the law of entropy. All things eventually reach a state of chaos, including our bodies. Death comes for us all one way or another. That being said, I DO see trying to extend our lives as long as physically possible as a worthy cause.

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I admire striving to not die. Statistically, I fully expect to die. Never dying would be a fantastic surprise. I think acceptance is a lot healthier and more likely to produce happiness in life than thinking one may be an exception.

There's a difference between "thinking one may be an exception" and realizing that, no matter how small, there is a chance that one day we'll invent the technology that will make us immortal (to some extent). If we had the same stance for all the other things that never happened before and were considered impossible, we would have never went to space and achieved many other great firsts.

To the extent that thinking something is possible influences the outcome, sure. For me, at my age, with my expertise, I am aware that there is a tiny possibility I could live forever the same way I am aware I could win the lottery: I accept that neither will happen, but I’ll still buy a lottery ticket every now and then.

Re: Roman church decorated with 4k skeletons

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A great many people are incredibly uncomfortable with the idea of death, and installations like this, and similar works of art, are a great antidote. Accepting death as the price of life might be a bit difficult for people raised in a culture that worships perpetual youth and which dreams of immortality, perhaps in the form of a digital silicon upload, but it's really a sign of maturity. Taking a minute or so out of…

I don't know about you but seeing a big pile of skeletons in a basement mainly serves to confirm the ideas about death that I already had. It's also kind of misleading because they're not complaining but dying is actually pretty awful unless you're really, really lucky.

Naturally dying is unpalatable to the individual living brain, evolved for survival and reproduction!

Doesn't it seem to be that death and life are mind-made abstractions of an unfathomable process of eternal continuity and change?

In our minds it's all very binary because of evolution, and we conflate our evolved perception with true reality.

If we peel back those layers then what is remaining?

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I don't know about you but seeing a big pile of skeletons in a basement mainly serves to confirm the ideas about death that I already had. It's also kind of misleading because they're not complaining but dying is actually pretty awful unless you're really, really lucky.

Naturally dying is unpalatable to the individual living brain, evolved for survival and reproduction! Doesn't it seem to be that death and life are mind-made abstractions of an unfathomable process of eternal continuity and change? In our minds it's all very binary because of evolution, and we conflate our evolved perception with true reality. If we peel back those layers then what is remaining?

>If we peel back those layers then what is remaining?

A really miserable process of being sick.

Re: Roman church decorated with 4k skeletons

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A great many people are incredibly uncomfortable with the idea of death, and installations like this, and similar works of art, are a great antidote. Accepting death as the price of life might be a bit difficult for people raised in a culture that worships perpetual youth and which dreams of immortality, perhaps in the form of a digital silicon upload, but it's really a sign of maturity. Taking a minute or so out of…

> death as the price of life

IMO this is still casting it in an uncomfortable way. IMO it is much healthier to think of death as the reward for life, the final rest from the toils of living. The idea is to put them on equal footing as they are part of the same process and you should look forward to death as much as you look forward to living.

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> Catholics also believe in demonic possession, hell, and exorcism. Not the first things a priest will tell you though. It pretty literally is one of the first things a priest (or a layperson acting on their behalf) will tell you, in that it is a routine part of preparation for the entry into the Church, and, in fact, a (minor) exorcism is performed as part of baptism.

Moreover every Catholic diocese must have a trained exorcist.

Remember to have your antiques regularly exorcised to avoid tsukumogami.

Re: Roman church decorated with 4k skeletons

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Naturally dying is unpalatable to the individual living brain, evolved for survival and reproduction! Doesn't it seem to be that death and life are mind-made abstractions of an unfathomable process of eternal continuity and change? In our minds it's all very binary because of evolution, and we conflate our evolved perception with true reality. If we peel back those layers then what is remaining?

> If we peel back those layers then what is remaining? A really miserable process of being sick.

You can be sick when you're dead?

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Why wouldn't they tell you they believe in hell? It is mentioned in pray it was used to scare me into not misbehaving as a child by my teachers who were priests and nuns. This is not a secret nor did they try to hide it.

> by my teachers who were priests and nuns The Catholic Church has always believed in Hell. Jesus himself made reference to Gehenna (which was literally a valley of death back when he was alive, the Valley of Hinnom , where the Bible also documents child sacrifice to have occurred), as well as symbolically with the parable of the wedding feast. For this reason, many Catholic saints were themselves quite afraid of it…

Similarly, one could believe that Catholics are never destined to escape samsara in their lifetime.
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