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Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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Yup. I think a better question that everyone should be asking, is -- how is Wikipedia succeeding SO IMPRESSIVELY in light of all the other failures we see and can we apply this model to other "websites, which at their essence, do nothing more than allow people to share information."

Wikipedia is not for profit, the incentives are incomparable.

Maybe this is exactly the difference that makes it work.

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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Any "service" that offers money for content will fail eventually. Take most news portals: they fill their sites with "news" to favor search engines, to deploy ads or affiliate links. Take search engines itself: They lead to SEO which leads to "silly" and packed "WordPress" like websites whose only goal is to drop affiliate links. And so on....

Youtube? Tiktok? Twitch?

Those are all excellent examples of how a content platform descends into empty hollow entertainment if monetized too much.

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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I'm Medium's current CEO as of last July. I actually pay a lot of attention to this sentiment on Hacker News. For example, I've bookmarked and often share this recent HN poll where 88% of people here think there's a negative stigma to a medium article. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33223222 It's sad and entirely our fault. We didn't fail but we did lose our way. Here's how I see it: 1. Lost our way on recommen…

Yeah thanks for your transparency but how do you go about fixing these problems? Like it's great to acknowledge them but the "Why NodeJS is dead" article was in the suggested sidebar for me yesterday

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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cory doctorow has codified this precisely in his theory of "enshittification": 8 Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the…

This is just a cool-sounding wrapper on the much older concept of rent-seeking, which has a solid theoretical literature behind it. Doctorow seems to specialize in this.

it's more like a specialisation of "rent-seeking" when applied to this particular case and pattern. nothing wrong with inventing a more specific term when the pattern behind it gets common enough.

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of the incentives changed. We really just need someone egalitarian to make the craigslist of blogs and never be tempted to stab the goose who's laying the golden eggs for quick monetization. The blogging space is too long-term for that short sighted nonsense

> never be tempted to stab the goose who's laying the golden eggs Isn’t the whole point that there are no golden eggs? People don’t want to pay and people don’t want ads. Where would you get income for the authors and for the platform itself?

I think there's monitization models somewhere there. Off the top of my head, you could go the email route and charge for "premium" features. Analytics, custom domains etc.

Either that or it could to be run as a loss leader for some other service

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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I'm Medium's current CEO as of last July. I actually pay a lot of attention to this sentiment on Hacker News. For example, I've bookmarked and often share this recent HN poll where 88% of people here think there's a negative stigma to a medium article. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33223222 It's sad and entirely our fault. We didn't fail but we did lose our way. Here's how I see it: 1. Lost our way on recommen…

Thanks for sharing this. What's your current view of Substack?

We've gone through many cycles of publishing platforms/trends. What catches your eyes in this space today (in general)?

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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I used to host my blog on Medium because it was the easiest way to get a simple, attractive blog available with a minimum amount of work. Then they started adding various annoyances, which I'm sure they thought would help with financial goals, but it eliminated the "simple, attractive" part. As a reader, seeing that a link went to medium.com used to mean it was easy-to-read and text-focused, and afterwards, it meant…

Interestingly enough, Substack is heading down the same direction - when you get linked to an article, it now forces a full screen popup on you asking if you want to subscribe or just read.

Substack has RSS feeds.

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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This whole thing reminds me of this comment when Tumblr "died": "I think the real problem here is that big media corporations seem to believe that social media userbases are fungible, and persist in acting on this belief no matter how many times it’s demonstrated to be wrong. There’s a specific pattern of events that plays out over and over (and over) again, and it looks something like this: 1. Social media platform…

Cory Doctorow calls this enshittification[0], and it applies to more than just social media companies. But social media is the most obvious representative of this cycle.

[0] https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kickstarter and Indiegogo have quite a few charlatans selling a tech version of snake oil, and they don't care because they get 10% (or whatever their fees are).

I am not sure how much vetting you want the platform to do? If someone says they can synthesize gasoline from air for $.02/liter, should Kickstarter shut it down? Send a guy to investigate? Where does the arbitrary this-is-probably-wrong line land?

Well that example wouldn't be allowed on Kickstarter, because they require a prototype to exist for electronics campaigns. I think that's a fairly reasonable arbitrarily chosen line.

Re: Ask HN: Why did medium.com "fail"?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there examples of sites/platforms that are doing it "right"? (however you interpret 'right' to be, I guess). Ones that have been around for a while and haven't enshittified?

Slashdot?

lol
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