“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

Post by berniedurfee » Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 6:14 PM UTC

miguelazo wrote: post #967

berniedurfee wrote: post #963

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That’s my point though. Voluminous circumstantial evidence is still just that, circumstantial. The most likely theory is still just that, a theory. With great credibility comes great responsibility. Many people will read this and other stories as fact. It’s been an issue since the dawn of man, but with the reach a single voice has today, it has far more impact. I had read a comment on HN once that said a course on cr…

Critical thinking would make one far more skeptical of a government that has lied repeatedly to its own people about every armed conflict, foreign policy intrigue, etc., rather than doubt a legendary journalist who has repeatedly exposed that government’s lies and has provided enough operational detail to make a very convincing case. I don’th think we should accept anything at face value, but weighing the credibility…

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 7:34 PM UTC

davesque wrote: post #268

dang wrote: post #200

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I'll read the article and reconsider. I haven't had time to even look at it yet. The moderation call here isn't based on agreeing, disagreeing, liking, or disliking. It just seems like an obvious interesting event, that's all. Edit: Ok, I've read the first half and looked over the second half, and I think the moderation call was the correct one. Not saying this to pile on; I just wanted to report back.

If that's the case, then it's especially weird to me why the usual conventions on highly charge political stories wouldn't apply.

Post by redbar0n » Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 1:12 PM UTC

mannerheim wrote: post #672

drewda wrote: post #541

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Seymour Hersh has decades of credibility from reporting the My Lai Massacre to the abuses at Abu Graib. But he does often rely on sources who remain anonymous: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#Use_of_anonymous... I did find it interesting in that Wikipedia article to read that The New Yorker's editor insists on knowing the identify of all of the anonymous sources that Hersh has used when his reporting is p…

I know nothing of him, but given that there's an entire paragraph about Jens Stoltenberg where almost every sentence is just completely factually wrong in a way that could be verified to be wrong with a look at the first paragraph on his Wikipedia page, I'm not inclined to take what he says seriously. I mean, par for the course for modern journalism, I suppose.

Post by redbar0n » Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 1:14 PM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #777

mannerheim wrote: post #672

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I know nothing of him, but given that there's an entire paragraph about Jens Stoltenberg where almost every sentence is just completely factually wrong in a way that could be verified to be wrong with a look at the first paragraph on his Wikipedia page, I'm not inclined to take what he says seriously. I mean, par for the course for modern journalism, I suppose.

Yeah, the idea that he was involved in the American war in Vietnam seems far-fetched. Perhaps this is a confusion with some other, older Stoltenberg?

Post by redbar0n » Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 1:21 PM UTC

edenceover wrote: post #374

> Today, the supreme commander of NATO is Jens Stoltenberg, a committed anti-communist, who served as Norway’s prime minister for eight years before moving to his high NATO post, with American backing, in 2014. He was a hardliner on all things Putin and Russia who had cooperated with the American intelligence community since the Vietnam War. He has been trusted completely since. “He is the glove that fits the America…