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In some ways, the 10000+ previous days of my life are a fairly reasonable promise of tomorrow.

Gambler's fallacy

"Okay, wow. You don't want me to kill you because you have so much to live for? Umm, sunk cost fallacy, heard of it?"

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True, but Catholicism isn't a democracy. Catholic beliefs aren't determined by what self-professed Catholics say they believe in, but what the Catholic Church itself professes.

I mean, that's one way to look at it. But in practice Catholics aren't, and never have been, a monolith, belief-wise, unless you define it so narrowly that the only Catholics are, well, maybe some of the cardinals. (Or not even those, if you take the view of some post-Vatican-II breakaway sects who consider the Pope to be illegitimate)

That's true, there is a great deal of theological diversity within the Catholic Church, and to an extent that diversity is actually encouraged. But the Church also sets bounds on what beliefs can acceptably be called "Catholic" and those bounds are Catholic dogma. (And over the centuries theologians have actually constructed quite a baroque hierarchy of degrees of theological certainty attached to various beliefs. [1])

The actual dogmas are fairly narrow. They include things like the doctrine of transubstantiation, Jesus being both God and man, Mary being conceived without original sin. But a lot of other things aren't dogmatic. For example, it's perfectly acceptable to argue that Roman Catholic priests should be permitted to be married or that Limbo doesn't exist.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theological_notes

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It's interesting how in less modern times, death was more ever present and yet they still went out of their way to remind people about it. The modern world by contrast, one can go well into their 30s without personally being touched by it in your family/friends circle. We could use the reminder of it now more than then, and yet we sanitize & Disney-fy everything instead.

Im nearing 40 and the only person "close" to me that has died is my grandpa, but I barely knew him since I grew up half way around the world.

As an (immature) adult I saw him twice. Twice as a teen. Once as a child post-migration.

I loved him so dearly as a young child yet, when he passed, it barely registered.

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There are some cultures that believe the remains of their ancestors are sacred. How would you encourage them to accept your POV?

Roman Catholic culture is one of those by far. What better way to attest to the sacredness of human remains but to incorporate them into the most sacred architecture we have? Human remains of Catholics are buried until their cause for canonization calls for exhumation and examination of the relics. By the time of canonization, division of the relics has begun and they are distributed for veneration to various communi…

And for those who aren’t Catholic, or any religion or spirituality that doesn’t have this interpretation?

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Most people who identify as Catholic in developed countries today don’t believe in any of those (demonic possession and exorcism would be particularly fringe, but in surveys in many countries the majority identifying as Catholic don’t believe in hell or sometimes transubstantiation either)

True, but Catholicism isn't a democracy. Catholic beliefs aren't determined by what self-professed Catholics say they believe in, but what the Catholic Church itself professes.

Self-professed Catholics are the Catholic church. That's what's meant by the phrase, not the bishops.

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Jesus and the Father are equated in the very first verse of John.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" isn't exactly straightforward.

It's more straightforward if you read a few more sentences.

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From Marcus Aurelius's Meditations : Mortal man, you have lived as a citizen in this great city. What matter if that life is five or fifty ears? The laws of the city apply equally to all. So what is there to fear in your dismissal from the city? This is no tyrant or corrupt judge who dismisses you, but the very same nature that brought you in. It is like the officer who engaged a comic actor dismissing him from the s…

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Re: Roman church decorated with 4k skeletons

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Roman Catholic culture is one of those by far. What better way to attest to the sacredness of human remains but to incorporate them into the most sacred architecture we have? Human remains of Catholics are buried until their cause for canonization calls for exhumation and examination of the relics. By the time of canonization, division of the relics has begun and they are distributed for veneration to various communi…

And for those who aren’t Catholic, or any religion or spirituality that doesn’t have this interpretation?

Do you mean, for example:

https://blogs.icrc.org/law-and-policy/2018/11/01/respect-for...

> "Respect for dead bodies manifests itself in diverse ways in different cultures around the world.In Islamic law and Muslim cultures, burying the dead in the ground is the correct way to respect dead bodies. Cremation is prohibited under Islamic law because, unlike in some cultures, it is considered a violation of the dignity of the human body."

People from different cultures have to learn to respect one another's traditions if they're to live together in democratic societies, that's certainly true. Some people would instead destroy anything that offends their own particular views, unfortunately.

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