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Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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It all comes down to Apple being a very focused company. They know their customers, what they want and they have a much better business model. Steve Jobs once explained it by saying they say no to a lots of things even to those who seem on paper great ideas. All that to stay focus. On the other hand, Google is all over the places, they are very distracted and confident that they will always be the indisputable kind i…

Which is interesting because the whole purpose of setting up Alphabet was to diversity revenue streams. But I don't think any of those efforts have generated significant revenue relative to their core business.

Waymo has the most promise and I think has always been seen that way.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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Growing too fast is damaging to both culture and productivity. You have a bunch of people starting that are still learning. Depending on the job and the person it can take a full year to be fully competent in a job. Apple was smart to move slower. They are probably one of the best run companies in the world.

> one of the best run companies They off-source all of their factory efforts to other companies. The other companies are doing the hiring and firing. Probably the best run company is Qualcomm. I have never heard them do layoffs. And they are based in San Diego. edit: Just googled it and found https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1l5vLinG edit2: also, https://www.thelayoff.com/apple

>The other companies are doing the hiring and firing.

And this is evidence they're not so well run? On the contrary...

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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Playing the game according to the current rules seems preferable than playing the game according to rules that may or may not come into existence. Also, they will still be one of the, if not most, profitable businesses in the world even if they lose all the App Store revenue, so it does not seem reasonable to expect more.

Companies of this size need to play the long game, but quarterly OKRs and a beuracratic structure ensure they only ever play the short game. The 30% is great this quarter and next quarter, and every quarter until the quarter where it goes away completely. Keeping it this high is extremely risky behavior, literally taunting for regulation.

> this quarter and next quarter

Apple Silicon was a decade-long play, largely by Cook. Even if the App Store is threatened, Apple remains plump.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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Growing too fast is damaging to both culture and productivity. You have a bunch of people starting that are still learning. Depending on the job and the person it can take a full year to be fully competent in a job. Apple was smart to move slower. They are probably one of the best run companies in the world.

> [Apple is] probably one of the best run companies in the world. I would argue that perhaps Apple's business side of things is arguably well-run. I personally disagree; I think that since Tim Cook has taken over, Apple's business focus is more on short-term gains instead of long-term quality. But I would also strongly argue that their software side of things has been trending downward ( especially in terms of qualit…

Usually people decrying short-termism mean focuses on quarters rather than years. Are you saying Cook’s 10+ years that took the company from $100B/year to $400B/year are the short term, and it is at the expense of the next 90 years?

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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> [Apple is] probably one of the best run companies in the world. I would argue that perhaps Apple's business side of things is arguably well-run. I personally disagree; I think that since Tim Cook has taken over, Apple's business focus is more on short-term gains instead of long-term quality. But I would also strongly argue that their software side of things has been trending downward ( especially in terms of qualit…

I don't know, people have been lamenting the poor quality of Apple software and how much better it was in the old days since I got my first Mac in 2007, at least that's when I became aware of the complaints. If it was really on a substantial continual down trend from then, by now nothing would work at all. Apple continues to invest massively in software, that means a ton of new code, which means a ton of new bugs. Yo…

It was a very dark era for Apple, but the Power Computing years were the best time to be an Apple fanboy IMO. You had commodity firebreathing PC hardware running OS 8 better than Macs did, more ports and connectivity, the software was best-in-class, and this was the era with no spyware, telemetry and all the BS we face now.

And yes, I was still buying legit Macs and software, and a lot of stock when it was at $11. It was a blast, I tell you.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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So what should they have done? Conceded to a group of Epic type companies on a VIP-type basis so regulators don't eat their lucrative subscription model? Without bigco lobbying the gov I doubt there'd be as much regulatory pressure. So the best bet might have been to work with the major companies hiring lobbyists and getting PR. Rumour is Apple is opening up side-loading so the "walled garden" thing might be neutered…

No no they should have never had it above 10% to begin with. The case with Epic never should have needed to happen. They've been over-extended all along.

I think you lack a lot of historic perspective of how software was sold and distributed, and the cuts involved.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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It all comes down to Apple being a very focused company. They know their customers, what they want and they have a much better business model. Steve Jobs once explained it by saying they say no to a lots of things even to those who seem on paper great ideas. All that to stay focus. On the other hand, Google is all over the places, they are very distracted and confident that they will always be the indisputable kind i…

> On the other hand, Google is all over the places, they are very distracted and confident that they will always be the indisputable kind in ads and search so they didn’t invest much in generating other long term major revenue streams.

I think this is a very muddled analysis. You seem to be saying that the lack of focus is caused by the perception of a permanent easy revenue stream. But I think the causation is actually the reverse of that. The lack of focus is more like a breadth first search for additional sustainable revenue streams undertaken because they know the golden goose can't lay eggs forever.

And similarly backwards: it is Apple who has the luxury of focus because high-end consumer computing hardware is a stable revenue stream with very little risk of drying up over a very long time horizon.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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"Depending on the job and the person it can take a full year to be fully competent in a job." Some of us never become competent.

Ideally it takes a full year for them to realize that you're not competent, at which point you hit your 1 year cliff and can snag 25% of your options or RSUs before you get PIP'ed out.

If you're at Amazon you'll walk away with 5% after one year, and only 20% after two years.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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Hiring at Apple was limited because they don’t pay competitively and they only get the “true believer” types that are willing to work more hours at a discount. Source: a low level manager at Apple.

> Source: a low level manager at Apple

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