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Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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All of these "company X has avoided layoffs" articles are pretty foolish, are all the big layoffs done? Are we even sure there won't be second rounds by summer? Apple could layoff 4% in a week and these same analysts will try to explain why there was no other way

> Apple could layoff 4% in a week

Highly unlikely: https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/02/apple-layoffs-tim-cook/

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

#52
post #24

this won't age well

Some PR & HR folks at Apple right now might be slapping themselves in the face over this disrupting their plans. Slow news day Fridays, companies often wait until the end of the day to release bad news. So they maybe wait a week.

Although the article is paywalled so I don't know, maybe the author has a quote from Apple with some statement minimally confirming this.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

#53
post #33

> Apple, meanwhile, was more cautious. Its headcount increased just 20% from 2020 to 2022 At Apples size this is still pretty huge. At least, I thought it was until I saw that Amazon, Meta and Salesforce basically DOUBLED in 2 years. If this data is correct isnt that insane? How can you effectively double orgs of this size over a 2 year period? Its not like a startup with 50 people or something. I guess I was out of…

Growing too fast is damaging to both culture and productivity. You have a bunch of people starting that are still learning. Depending on the job and the person it can take a full year to be fully competent in a job.

Apple was smart to move slower. They are probably one of the best run companies in the world.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

#54
post #32

Apple's underlying economics haven't changed, so they have not had any reason to over-hire in the first place. Amazon, Google, Meta, Shopify and others are all e-commerce based. There was a clear trend that e-commerce had shifted up due to the pandemic, and looked to be permanent. That bet was wrong, so they all had layoffs. Other companies were willing to hire lots of developers because the ROI on devs was good comp…

Amazon, Google, and Meta all seem to make riskier bets, too. Both strategies make sense—make big, risky investments, or grind out more profits in existing, highly lucrative markets.

> Amazon, Google, and Meta all seem to make riskier bets, too.

What are those risky bets I wonder?

Meanwhile Apple rolled out a completely custom CPU and transitioned all its hardware to it.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

#55
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most layoffs are happening in growth businesses that aren’t even profitable on paper. Apple, make things, things people want and quite often need. they are a solid business that are unlikely to suffer much in a short term tightening of people’s finances interest rate rises.

> Most layoffs are happening in growth businesses that aren’t even profitable on paper. Google? Facebook? Microsoft? All very profitable, all doing layoffs.

I'm guessing Google and Facebooks profit centers are much more narrow? Eg. Google Ads. Facebook has the Metaverse Black Hole whereas has Googles countless endeavours (eg. Chat)

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

#56

A few days ago we were criticizing Nintendo because it was making too much money per employee and didn't hire enough. Also, we criticize Google for laying people off and Amazon for everything else (overhiring?). One wonders why Apple gets high praise for "hiring cautiously".

I think Nintendo is a wonderfully run company. They are probably a bit too set in their ways of doing things, but they always seem to be ready to take advantage of an opportunity or minimize the damage of a bad product launch. How many companies could have survived the WiiU?

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

#57
post #32

Apple's underlying economics haven't changed, so they have not had any reason to over-hire in the first place. Amazon, Google, Meta, Shopify and others are all e-commerce based. There was a clear trend that e-commerce had shifted up due to the pandemic, and looked to be permanent. That bet was wrong, so they all had layoffs. Other companies were willing to hire lots of developers because the ROI on devs was good comp…

I still can't believe major corporations thought the shift to ecommerce from the pandemic "looked to be permanent". More people than not spent 2 years complaining they couldn't leave the house and rushing out to the pub/shops/holidays the minute restrictions dropped.

It was certainly a possibility, but staggers my mind that companies of this size all decided it was a sureity.

If I were to be uncharitable, this is the effect of senior staff at these companies having been completely detached from the pandemic experience of the majority of the population. Lots of people still had to go to work F2F, lots of people spent it cooped up in 30m2 apartments with flatmates they hate.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

#58
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An AR headset that's supposed to do what, exactly?

To help bring the next paradigm in computing interfaces. I don’t understand why people have forgotten all of the sci-fi movies that have been showing what’s possible

Let me know when someone has solved the "glasshole" creep factor. Clearly Apple is the most capable in shifting consumer sentiment but that's a challenging hurdle.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are three ways to make more per employee. You can get better at making money. You can have fewer people. You can pay your people less. So as a metric it's very context-dependant.

You can also do all 3 at the same time. They're not mutually exclusive. If priority #1 is shareholder value, then doing all 3 of those makes sense. If priority #1 is something other than money, then maximizing profit can lead to a negative impact on the true mission. So I do agree it's context-dependant, but perhaps a slightly different context than you had in mind?

These three things aren't mutually exclusive but they go against each other.

For example paying people less might impact your ability to improve your money stream. Similarly having fewer people may lead to some missed opportunities.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

#60
post #24

this won't age well

Some PR & HR folks at Apple right now might be slapping themselves in the face over this disrupting their plans. Slow news day Fridays, companies often wait until the end of the day to release bad news. So they maybe wait a week. Although the article is paywalled so I don't know, maybe the author has a quote from Apple with some statement minimally confirming this.

https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/02/apple-layoffs-tim-cook/
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