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Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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A few days ago we were criticizing Nintendo because it was making too much money per employee and didn't hire enough. Also, we criticize Google for laying people off and Amazon for everything else (overhiring?). One wonders why Apple gets high praise for "hiring cautiously".

I think it would be fair to question those who criticize Nintendo for not hiring enough. Nintendo and Apple are run similarly in this respect. Very cautious companies.

But I think if you go back and look at who is criticizing Nintendo, they're not the same people criticizing Google and Amazon. They're opposing sides. It's move-fast-and-break-things versus do-it-right-the-first-time. Both have their merits.

But when you move fast and overhire, you upend people's lives when you have to let them go.

When you move slow, you provide fewer opportunities for people, but noone upends their lives over it.

For my comfort, I choose employers who prioritize keeping the team intact, even if that does mean fewer opportunities during boom times.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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Apple got burned bad the last time they were caught organizing a wage fixing cartel:

https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-tech-jo...

It's different this time around though, because economy. The tech layoffs started at the least profitable companies with the weakest balance sheets first (Google, Microsoft), and besides the whole economy is doing massive layoffs because of the recession and high interest rates: https://www.nar.realtor/blogs/economists-outlook/instant-rea...

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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Why is Apple being compared to Google and Amazon in this context?

Id have the same question why every layoff gets a headline on HN but I guess it's newsworthy when it's a trend. Otherwise they are pretty similar sized "Big Tech" companies. Apple: 164,000 employees Google: 150,000 employees Amazon: ~800,000 corporate employees (this one was harder to find but the tech/software team is probably similar to above)

c. 65,000 of the Apple employees are retail employees though. It’s not really ‘apples for apples’ to compare that with Google’s entirely tech and product headcount.

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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You mean to tell me that Apple could have created thousands of high paying jobs, if only for several years, but didn’t. And this is good? I can never remember who to be mad at.

More seriously, I realize this is just clickbait, but I wonder how you could determine objectively which approach (hiring slow and needing to catch up, hiring medium, hiring fast and needing to fire) is “better for business”. Seems very hard to control variables.

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> There’s a reason why Apple Inc. is under less pressure than tech peers to slash jobs during the current slowdown: It hired more efficiently in the first place. So there is no official statement from Apple saying that they are not planning a layoff round in the coming months, just the opinion of 2 analysts? Apple isn't avoiding anything.

There was an official statement directly from Tim Cook a week ago: https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/02/apple-layoffs-tim-cook/

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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A few days ago we were criticizing Nintendo because it was making too much money per employee and didn't hire enough. Also, we criticize Google for laying people off and Amazon for everything else (overhiring?). One wonders why Apple gets high praise for "hiring cautiously".

There are three ways to make more per employee. You can get better at making money. You can have fewer people. You can pay your people less. So as a metric it's very context-dependant.

You can also do all 3 at the same time. They're not mutually exclusive.

If priority #1 is shareholder value, then doing all 3 of those makes sense.

If priority #1 is something other than money, then maximizing profit can lead to a negative impact on the true mission.

So I do agree it's context-dependant, but perhaps a slightly different context than you had in mind?

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post #22

Apple got burned bad the last time they were caught organizing a wage fixing cartel: https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-tech-jo... It's different this time around though, because economy. The tech layoffs started at the least profitable companies with the weakest balance sheets first (Google, Microsoft), and besides the whole economy is doing massive layoffs because of the recession and high interes…

> the whole economy is doing massive layoffs because of the recession

"U.S. reports blowout job growth; unemployment lowest since 1969" https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-job-growth-accelerates-j...

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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A few days ago we were criticizing Nintendo because it was making too much money per employee and didn't hire enough. Also, we criticize Google for laying people off and Amazon for everything else (overhiring?). One wonders why Apple gets high praise for "hiring cautiously".

There are many different approaches and some may be good and some may be bad?

Re: Apple avoids job cuts because it didn’t overhire like Google and Amazon

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And they failed to hire enough people to bring their AR headset to market which is the other side of the coin.

Steve Jobs and Apple were a fan of small teams… https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/leading-apple-with/9781... But some people still have this belief that 9 women can make a baby in a month.

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