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Re: David Guetta uses ChatGPT and uberduck.ai to deepfake Eminem rap for DJ set

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Possibly yes, though it's more likely that OpenAI owes royalties on the revenue they get from ChatGPT. We have yet to see this play out in court, but we likely will in the following years.

Universal tried to make the same argument with Sony and the VCR. They wanted a royalty payment on every sale. They won their case! It took the Supreme Court to overrule, where they created the legal doctrine of “commercially significant non-infringing use” as part of determining fair use. They looked at the VHS rental market and the numerous other industries that were dependent on this technology. The courts do not w…

While I think the case you're presenting is very likely, I don't think Sony v Universal applies too significantly. The VCR was demonstrably not in any way based on Universal's IP - it was only a tool that could be used to create copies of Universal's IP.

In their capacity as tools, LLMs probably would fall under a similar model. However, the LLM itself is substantially based on the IP of all of the creators of the data used in its training set. This may or may not be granted fair use status, or it may or may not even be seen as infringing on the copyright of those works at all - but either way, it is not covered by that case as a legal question (at least in my own non-lawyer interpretation).

Re: David Guetta uses ChatGPT and uberduck.ai to deepfake Eminem rap for DJ set

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But that’s in a commercial setting, this is during a musical performance. The audience was not tricked into showing up to an Eminem performance and were not tricked into thinking that Eminem was on stage at any point. This is protected speech.

> But that’s in a commercial setting, this is during a musical performance. This means he wasn’t paid for the performance, is that correct? Because otherwise doing it for paid performances and promoting it on social media but saying “it’s not commercial bro” doesn’t seem very genuine

Sure, but in the Bette Midler case, I was talking about a literal television commercial:

Midler pursued a common law judgment against Ford for using her distinctive voice without her authorization. The appellate court pondered the question of whether or not an artist's voice is a distinctive personal feature over which a person has controlling rights from appropriation. Midler was not seeking damages for copyright infringement of the song itself, but rather for the use of her voice which she claimed was distinctive of her person as a singer. The recognition of Midler's voice in the commercial was found to be the intentional motivation and a major feature of the commercial.

This is a common law right to publicity. This is our common law right to be in control of our likeness.

David Guetta is being paid but he is not being paid by the promoters or the audience because he says he is Eminem so there is no reasonable claim to a violation of Eminem's common law right to publicity.

Whereas with Midler, the commercial production crew was seen by the jury to be paying an artist to convince an audience that Bette Midler was endorsing the product.

These are completely different situations.

Re: David Guetta uses ChatGPT and uberduck.ai to deepfake Eminem rap for DJ set

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You’re thinking about this wrong. Do I need to ask permission to impersonate Eminem during a comedy performance? How about during a musical performance? The answer is no. This is fair use 101. If you cover a song of his while doing an impersonation then this is covered by the performance fees the venue you’re playing at pays every year to ASCAP and BMI.

> Do I need to ask permission to impersonate Eminem during a comedy performance? How about during a musical performance? The answer is maybe. See the case I cited above. > This is fair use 101. Voices are not copyrightable so fair use doesn't seem terribly relevant here.

Fair use is relevant for parodies that are not subject to copyright or royalties so it is indeed relevant, but you're right, the issue with Bette Midler is the common law right of publicity, of which David Guetta is not in the wrong because no one was tricked into thinking that he was Eminem. Even if David Guetta's DJ sets became nothing but Eminem songs it would be fine because he would still not be tricking anyone into thinking that he was Eminem.

Re: David Guetta uses ChatGPT and uberduck.ai to deepfake Eminem rap for DJ set

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*david guetta's ghost producer

Guetta, like most big DJs, definitely uses ghost producers. But he also very obviously knows how to produce as well. And if you are a producer, you're likely technically savvy enough to figure out basic AI tools.

Re: David Guetta uses ChatGPT and uberduck.ai to deepfake Eminem rap for DJ set

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*david guetta's ghost producer

What claim do you have to say that? Here is a 30-minute lecture from the guy recording himself producing a track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfEhLdITOac

To be fair, the way he's moving around Ableton is very noobish. But maybe that's just because he's trying to show views.

Re: David Guetta uses ChatGPT and uberduck.ai to deepfake Eminem rap for DJ set

#108

Maybe I am late to recognize that, but with recent developments I get the feeling that AI and machine learning are really getting somewhere now. If it goes forward with the current trajectory, then this could change the world just like radio, television or the internet did.

Those things advanced average people’s reach. This is not doing that.

Re: David Guetta uses ChatGPT and uberduck.ai to deepfake Eminem rap for DJ set

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This isn't going to be released commercially, as a very successful artist, he knows that better than most. No record label would release songs without clearing things with the relevant artist. Many artists and DJs don't release live sets/remixes because it would be impossible to clear all the samples, I don't see why this would be any different.

>No record label would release songs without clearing things with the relevant artist. What would that email look like? "Here's some lyrics you never wrote and some audio you've never heard. Can I use it in my song?"

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Re: David Guetta uses ChatGPT and uberduck.ai to deepfake Eminem rap for DJ set

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Universal tried to make the same argument with Sony and the VCR. They wanted a royalty payment on every sale. They won their case! It took the Supreme Court to overrule, where they created the legal doctrine of “commercially significant non-infringing use” as part of determining fair use. They looked at the VHS rental market and the numerous other industries that were dependent on this technology. The courts do not w…

While I think the case you're presenting is very likely, I don't think Sony v Universal applies too significantly. The VCR was demonstrably not in any way based on Universal's IP - it was only a tool that could be used to create copies of Universal's IP. In their capacity as tools, LLMs probably would fall under a similar model. However, the LLM itself is substantially based on the IP of all of the creators of the da…

Sony v Universal established a very important legal doctrine with regards to "commercially significant non-infringing use". You can take my word for it, you can go an do your own research, you can confirm with an IP lawyer, or you can wait for the the court's opinion.

Or I guess you can give me a little bit of time to go and help you do some of your own research, which I will do right now, so just hold on a bit!

I'm not trying to trick people or win some hypothetical argument, I'm trying to help people see how the courts will consider these issues and how and why we should agree with their rulings that these tools are fair use of copyright protected works!

I love copyright, probably more than most people on these forums, but the liability needs to be on the people using these tools. Supabase Clippy is fantastic and they should not bear any costs, even implicitly through OpenAI paying royalties. Someone who releases a "Sarah Anderson Cartoon Maker" tool using Stable Diffusion should still be found to wrong Sarah Anderson's common law right to publicity just as someone who releases a "Vacation Photo Background Cleaner-Upper" tool using Stable Diffusion should not bear any costs, even implicitly through StabilityAI paying royalties to Sarah Anderson.

These must be considered in their capacities as tools regardless of how they were made and for reasons foundational to the law itself: How can you prove that I used a given tool such as Stable Diffusion or the "Vacation Photo Background Cleaner-Upper" tool without concrete evidence of the tool, such as the presence of the software on my laptop? Can law enforcement get a warrant to search based on literally no visual evidence that Sarah Anderson's works were somehow used in the training process of a tool that I have on my private property?

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In the Texas Law Review in March, 2021, Mark Lemley, a Stanford law professor, and Bryan Casey, then a lecturer in law at Stanford, posed a question: "Will copyright law allow robots to learn?" They argue that, at least in the United States, it should.

"[Machine learning] systems should generally be able to use databases for training, whether or not the contents of that database are copyrighted," they wrote, adding that copyright law isn't the right tool to regulate abuses.

But when it comes to the output of these models – the code suggestions automatically made by the likes of Copilot – the potential for the copyright claim proposed by Butterick looks stronger.

"I actually think there's a decent chance there is a good copyright claim," said Tyler Ochoa, a professor in the law department at Santa Clara University in California, in a phone interview with The Register.

In terms of the ingestion of publicly accessible code, Ochoa said, there may be software license violations but that's probably protected by fair use. While there hasn't been a lot of litigation about that, a number of scholars have taken that position and he said he's inclined to agree.

https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/19/github_copilot_copyri...

https://texaslawreview.org/fair-learning/

Both Lemley and Ochoa state that the models themselves are probably protected by fair use. Meaning, it is perfectly fine for OpenAI to train their models on publicly accessible copyright protected works without asking for permission or having to pay any royalties or having to adhere to any of the terms of the license.

They are also free to distribute this tool and to charge for people to use this tool.

What Ochoa is saying about there being a good chance of there being a copyright claim is that this tool doesn't absolve the users of the tool from copyright violation. The liability is on the person using the tool regardless of the tool being used. It's not the intent that matters with copyright, it's that you ended up publishing something that looks enough like someone else's picture that twelve people consider it to be not too different than a simple photocopy.

Now, this can still be a problem for Copilot because an engineer's company might not want to be injecting a lot of copyright protected code into their products, but for the most part the outputs from Copilot have been non-infringing. That it sometimes produces infringing code does not matter to anyone other than the person using Copilot.

Ochoa goes on in detail about what is and isn't covered by copyright with regards to code, which is one of the things that gives me confidence to use Copilot and know that I'm not putting myself at risk:

But in terms of where Copilot may be vulnerable to a copyright claim, Ochoa believes LLMs that output source code – more so than models that generate images – are likely to echo training data. That may be problematic for GitHub.

"When you're trying to output code, source code, I think you have a very high likelihood that the code that you output is going to look like one or more of the inputs, because the whole point of code is to achieve something functional," he said. "Once something works well, lots of other people are going to repeat it."

Ochoa argues the output is likely to be the same as the training data for one of two reasons: "One is there's only one good way to do it. And the other is [you're] copying basically an open source solution.

"If there's only one good way to do it, OK, then that's probably not eligible for copyright. But chances are that there's just a lot of code in [the training data] that has used the same open source solution, and that the output is going to look very similar to that. And that's just copying."

In other words, the model may suggest code to solve a problem for which there's only really one practical solution, or it's copying from someone's open source that does the same thing. In either case, that's probably because a lot of people have used the same code, and that shows up a lot in the training data, leading to the assistant regurgitating it.

So in practice it is pretty easy to tell that Copilot is spitting out purely functional suggestions basically all of the time as there isn't really any other way to wire up a unit test or call a specific API.

Ironically, if Copilot gets better at "software architecture" then it starts to cross over into the expressive parts of software that are indeed covered by copyright, meaning these issues of liability become harder to discern to the end user and enough of a problem that GitHub would want to figure out attribution or somehow "clear" the suggestions for the user.

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