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Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Post by yao420 »

tayo42 wrote: post #148
Jommi wrote: post #38

We're hiring at our company. We've had a lot of people come through from the recent waves of layoffs, and usually so far there has been a mix of too high expectations, remote work mismatches as well as just lots of people not making the bar (we are a small company). Still on the lookout for senior rust engineers who want to work at a company that's remote-first with a minimal-meetings culture. You can message me on t…

Do you have more info about the company and job?

Rust and telegram lead me to believe it’s a job in crypto.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Post by gen220 »

bradlys wrote: post #355
shmatt wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wild guess says you're not paying Amazon/Twitter compensation. And thats fine, they shouldn't be your target It would not be smart of them to accept a lower paying job immediately. A lot of them have life expenses directly tied to the amount of money they're making. Maybe those who haven't found anything for 3 months can join your company, move to a new place, change their childrens' daycare, and do a lot of life cha…

It’s wild that this isn’t the top response. I get a ton of emails from random startups in stealth mode, early funding, whatever. You know where they all go? Spam folder. As far as I’m concerned, they pay the equivalent of dog shit and are mostly full of extremely entitled founders. They rarely offer equity that’s even remotely worth the risk. I’m way better off joining a company at Series B/C. I can often get a very…

It depends a lot on the company. Pre-funding/pre-pmf is hard to judge. But there are plenty of companies with arguable PMF at the seed stage, for whom raising an A vs going alone is an actual choice.

If you're filtering for B/C, you're filtering for companies that need investor money post-supposed-PMF (A is generally considered the anointing of PMF).

That behavior was fine pre-2021, but it's a bit more suspect in 2022. Joining the median pre-IPO tech company within the last year or two would have left your initial option grant completely in the red, today.

In short, there's a continuum between "stealth mode" and Series B that's more lucrative than you're giving credit for, provided one chooses them wisely. The problem is it's hard to choose. There aren't good incentives for educating people on how to choose well.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Post by hikawaii »

greedo wrote: post #384
hikawaii wrote: post #301

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Given that the average mid level developer makes a salary and stock grant putting them well into the 1% (in USA) I find it questionable that the majority of people are "just" trying to keep a roof over their heads.

Perhaps your assumption that all "mid level developers" make FAANG income is a bit inaccurate? There are tens of thousands of developers across the US not making big bucks. And to be in the 1%, you need to be making north of $800K. The company I work for employees roughly 100 developers, and not one of them makes more than $150K (we don't award RSUs either).

The median income in king county WA is 100k, we can deduce that Amazon devs make quite a bit more than that from levels.

I was more inaccurate or perhaps outdated with the 1% figure, turns out it's 600k.

But in every possible universe, the devs at your "small shop" not making "the big bucks" are making two to three times the median income in the country with the most disposable income per person - which means your counterexample is very weak to the argument that you and your team are making more than enough to be doing more with your finances than "just" keeping the lights on, and to compare that to people in the US who make regular wages for sympathy is kind of egregious.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Post by gen220 »

bugbuddy wrote: post #17

I was a senior dev at a big tech and got laid off in November. I have applied to hundreds of places. Not a lot of responses. I have been doing interview preps the whole time. It has been very demoralizing and I am thinking of switching careers to something else. I have been considering skilled trades. I like carpentry in particular.

Have you considered working with any third-party recruiters? It seems that going through one is the only way to get the attention of most companies, these days. I would advise not taking the lack of responses personally, because cold applications are, generally coldly, disposed of (a human never passes judgement on them).

FWIW, I found my last two jobs through third party recruiters, and still count them as friends. It's an industry with an oddly-poor reputation, but there are some real gems of people to be found in it.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Post by _2uwr »

hikawaii wrote: post #301
paganel wrote: post #284

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The people going after "wealth" are a minority. The majority of us are salaried people who go to work in order to have a roof over our heads, to pay the bills and put food on the table and maybe to have enough money to have some kids. The majority of us don't actually know what we "have", because it isn't that much anyway. We do know though what we need to pay in the next 10 to 15 days(and if we somehow forget there'…

Given that the average mid level developer makes a salary and stock grant putting them well into the 1% (in USA) I find it questionable that the majority of people are "just" trying to keep a roof over their heads.

A 1% wage with a 0.1% cost of living is still poor! Its all relative. Stocks dont mean nothing to me. Watch the stock price plummet when founders sell their stock.

There are jobs out there, I've turned down 3 (2xUS, 1xUK/CH) last year I enquired about just to keep in touch with whats on offer and gain insight into projects underway or commencing. Paying 6 figures, US onsite, UK/CH offered remote, working as many hours as I wanted. Turned them down. I think US/Canada remote is rare because of the poor internet infrastructure once you get outside of the cities, Europe has better internet infrastructure so can offer more remote work. Management styles are generally different in the US compared to Europe, with the UK somewhere in between the two regions as usual.

I think people need to understand the different parts of a global economy and realise some sectors some countries wont be or will hardly be affected by the social media downturn especially if they are prepared to work abroad and broaden their horizons.

Plenty of money in China.....

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Post by camdenreslink »

zwkrt wrote: post #271
georgeecollins wrote: post #237

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>> were hanging on to their jobs to save maybe 10% more or whatever The amount of wealth all people need is constant. It is 1.5 x whatever they have today.

Quite a broad generalization. Sounds like people who don't have an actual plan for their money other than to have more of it. The kind of person who retires and realizes they don't even know what to do now that they aren't striving for that $$$.

Lifestyle creep is a thing. You may think you have a plan, but then get a slightly nicer house and slightly nicer cars and slightly nicer vacations…and suddenly now you need 1.5x the money you planned for.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Post by camdenreslink »

hikawaii wrote: post #301
paganel wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people going after "wealth" are a minority. The majority of us are salaried people who go to work in order to have a roof over our heads, to pay the bills and put food on the table and maybe to have enough money to have some kids. The majority of us don't actually know what we "have", because it isn't that much anyway. We do know though what we need to pay in the next 10 to 15 days(and if we somehow forget there'…

Given that the average mid level developer makes a salary and stock grant putting them well into the 1% (in USA) I find it questionable that the majority of people are "just" trying to keep a roof over their heads.

The average mid level developer has zero stock grants or equity. Most of the developers I know work for a salary and benefits and that’s it.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Post by coffeebeqn »

BWStearns wrote: post #2

I started looking this week. Getting called back at least but haven't even started the leetcode boogey portion of the evening yet so no idea how actively they're actually hiring.

I started looking since our annual bonus was canceled a few days before we were to get it and company leadership is acting gloomy. I’ve heard back from 1/4 messages, having a screen Monday. Seems like some positions are so swamped with applications that they won’t ever get to yours.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Post by faangiq »

jaxomlotus wrote: post #66

Here's the flip side: I was hiring (at a stealth vc-funded startup). I reached out to every designer and coder laid off from Twitter and Amazon (one of my investors sent me a spreadsheet that those laid off folks added their contact info to). I didn't receive a single interested response to my reach outs. Now granted, I'm sure they were bombarded with lots of startup offers and being picky what company/stage they wer…

You’re not paying enough. Or maybe you are but people are of getting lowballed by shit tier startups that have raised at zero upside valuations.
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