Nowadays all my emails are from the browser(gmail,outlook,etc), I used to be a thunderbird user and liked it, just wonder if the 'traditional' email client user base will be further in decline? To me the browser is the thunderbird, not as powerful, but good enough for normal use.
The Future of Thunderbird
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Re: The Future of Thunderbird
#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
You know what? Nothing needs to be pretty. Why stop at work tools? A home is there to let you cook, sleep and live efficiently. No need to be pretty. A city is there to allow you to go from A to B without any fuzz and to provide the essential services. Pretty cities are annoying. I have several accounts and thousands of mails. But I can't see how an efficient tool can't be pretty and how a pretty tool can't be effici…
My home needs to be pretty because fundamentally I am an irrational animal motivated by my emotions. When I sit on my leather couch and look at my house plants and art that makes me feel good . When I come home and find things out of place it makes me feel bad . A UI revamp is like coming home to a crime scene, or at least a messy kitchen.
Likewise, for many people, pretty tools make them feel better.
Of course, a UI revamp needs to be done carefully, taking existing users in account. If done well, it will be like someone living in the same home having done some cleaning.
Otherwise I agree, it's not good.
Re: The Future of Thunderbird
#293My biggest issue with Thunderbird is the Quick filter search I have thousands of emails in one folder and it can block the UI for a while when making a basic search :-( . And it's also not correct, it won't show all the results, so I have to resort to using the real search which is clunky to use on a daily basis. If only they could fix this ! The UI is great already, it doesn't need much work
Re: The Future of Thunderbird
#294Unfortunately, at least for me, I've had to mostly switch away from Thunderbird. It has becoming rather frustratingly slow. For example, if I archive an email, it takes 10 to 15 seconds for this to be reflected in the interface. When I have 50 or so emails to deal with, this adds up to a surprising amount of time, and becomes rather frustrating. (I suspect having large volumes of email is part of the issue.) On the m…
Is it ported over to Rust yet?
Re: The Future of Thunderbird
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't look old, it looks overloaded and inconvenient. HN UI looks old, but it's the most convenient UI to use.
HN is really bad on touch devices. Call me young and naive, but I mostly read HN on the couch on my tablet.
It's better than the average news site but worse than if they just spent 10 minutes adding some mobile CSS. I constantly log out accidentally on mobile.
Re: The Future of Thunderbird
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you decide to turn my functional if bulky 70s office building into something a bit fresher I won't mind. Of course don't do it every month but Thunderbird hasn't changed for twenty years. Apart from the attach button that was put at the other side of the compose window. That was annoying. I fully expect the new UI to have a mode resembling the current one and the current keyboard shortcuts to still work. Now, if i…
> if you decide to turn my functional if bulky 70s office building into something a bit fresher I won't mind. I worked in one of these and it was the best office space ever. Built into a nature preserve. There were paths along the water between the buildings. Everyone had an office with a window and view of trees and water. It was dated but I had zero complaints. We got bought by a company in Silicon Valley and they…
They didn't keep the features that mattered to you and implemented this badly on top of it. Of course it's bad.
Okay, that's a tangent, but if done well, new buildings should be better because we improved on many plans.
At the campus in which I studied, 70s buildings are mostly ugly and badly isolated (done quickly all at the same time because they were needed quickly, standards of back then, also fairly solid). Cold in winter, hot in summer, quite dark inside overall at least for the corridors.
They did a decent job for the new buildings. Rooms still have the same number of people. Those buildings are rented for 30 years costing a lot to the university but they are better overall.
So, yeah. In both cases, new stuff can be better but of course it needs to be well done, stuff that matter need to be there and users listened.
Re: The Future of Thunderbird
#297Unfortunately, at least for me, I've had to mostly switch away from Thunderbird. It has becoming rather frustratingly slow. For example, if I archive an email, it takes 10 to 15 seconds for this to be reflected in the interface. When I have 50 or so emails to deal with, this adds up to a surprising amount of time, and becomes rather frustrating. (I suspect having large volumes of email is part of the issue.) On the m…
There must be something weird about your setup. I have 40k messages in my Inbox & everything is snappy: Mailbox operations complete immediately.
70K here. The only thing a bit slow is search (but not slower than in other clients I tested).
Re: The Future of Thunderbird
#298> “Why does Thunderbird look so old, and why does it take so long to change?” If it works...
For me it doesn't really work. Searching any large folder completely stalls the UI for a few seconds. How can it be so slow to go through a bit of text?
The filter on a single folder is not slow and never stalls the UI. Caveats: I'm on Linux, maybe my large folders are not so large, if it stalls for you it's probably stalling for many more people with similar setups.
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#299> “Why does Thunderbird look so old, and why does it take so long to change?” ~ A notable percentage of Thunderbird users Honestly this doesn't seem like the main issue with Thunderbird; the main issue is that the UI is very slow, it tends to use a lot of CPU and memory just sitting there and a lot of operations block the UI. This got a lot worse with 102. 102 unfortunately is so low in responsiveness that it's liter…
The main issue with Thunderbird IMO is that line-wrapping and quoting (and especially their interaction) during composition is horrifically buggy!
I actually just switched to Thunderbird last year because I needed to post a patch to a mailing list and I couldn't find any mail apps for Windows that could do it properly. Previously I used Alpine, but that was a much worse experience because pasting didn't work so I had to clumsily read in a prepared file from disk and not touch any other keys after that for fear of it rewrapping everything. If there are any other mail apps that do this better, and can still connect to "modern" (read: annoying) oauth setups like Office365 etc, I'd definitely be interested in trying them. I don't hate Thunderbird, but to me it seems like the least bad option for supporting both modern top-quote style HTML email and oldskool 7 bit ASCII/triangle bracket quoting/inline patch style email.
Re: The Future of Thunderbird
#300Goodbye, Thunderbird. What options are still available that don't follow this "modern" path. Simply give me the old-fashioned interface and leave me alone.