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AI Joins Hunt for ET: Study Finds 8 Potential Alien Signals

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Re: AI Joins Hunt for ET: Study Finds 8 Potential Alien Signals

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>it seems unlikely What are you basing this on?

Good point! There's a bit in one of Larry Niven's books, possibly Ringworld. The protagonists are worried about what novel aliens might do. Somebody proposes ducking into hyperspace, where tracking them is "theoretically impossible". Another character responds, "What if they use different theories?" That something seems unlikely to a human used to dealing with other humans at the same or lower technology level to me…

Reminds me of an episode of Stargate where they fire 'stealth' (invisible to radar) nukes at the Goa'uld ships, and they're just stood looking out the window at them! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvBsXxNc7k8

Anyone who says anything like "it's impossible" etc just has a complete lack of imagination.

Re: AI Joins Hunt for ET: Study Finds 8 Potential Alien Signals

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It's a bit of a science fiction myth that it is impossible to process a bit of data without executing it, or that data can somehow force itself to be executed by its sheer swaggering potency as data. And a thing that is more true than it should be, because people keep insisting that they are super awesome and totes capable of writing C that can be put on the network. If we'd stop doing this there'd be hardly any trut…

Assuming the bandwidth exists, somehow describing enough mathematics to describe a virtual machine, and then sending a program for that virtual machine, might just be the best way to communicate. A package that can help the recipient interpret it by learning and responding to the local environment. I can't put my finger on any specific book but I have the impression of this scenario coming up in science fiction. I've…

Said AI could certainly be programmed to probe for weaknesses in its runtime environment.

However... the game theory on that becomes very interesting, because the sender can't assume that the AI's probes will be immediately successful and they will instantly run out and take total control over the host network so thoroughly that the hack can't be detected. And sending out an AI that tries to break out and then tries to do something nasty is an act of war against an adversary you know nothing about. For all you know, the psychology of that species is such that they will now dedicate every erg of energy to the sole task of wiping your species out until the threat is gone. For all you know, your AI was first executed in an environment that deliberately left some big holes in it and those holes were completely set up with tripwires. Such is the nature of the virtual world. And if the AI does trigger the tripwire, we can also analyze it to find out what it "would" do if it broke out. So it's definitely not a "ha ha ha we nuked our competitors with no risk to ourselves just by sending out a single trasmission" situation.

I'm not saying there isn't a whole interesting conversation to be had. I am saying the idea that the aliens can somehow send out data that is somehow encoded in SuperIntegers that instantly SuperHack every computer that you try to SuperUse them on... that's a bad computer-animated cartoon for kids, not a realistic threat. There is a real threat, but it's more complicated and generally smaller, perhaps with a super weird spike at the top end, but even then, per my previous paragraph, more complicated than I think people are thinking here, because the aliens do not have access to these SuperIntegers any more than we do.

Re: AI Joins Hunt for ET: Study Finds 8 Potential Alien Signals

#53

Curious, assuming such an signal is found, are there safety measures in place to isolate it from other systems in off chance it contains “alien malware” that attacks systems receiving it?

It seems unlikely any alien malware could be targeted to affect our computing platforms. However, if they had preexisting knowledge of computing as implemented on Earth, it would be less complex. If there was a type of malware universal enough to do so, it would probably be some kind of attack against the universal notion of intelligence itself. In which case, you may need to isolate it from humans as well. I think t…

Fun fact, this is basically (highly likely to be) true for biological systems as well for very similar reasons. Looking at you Orwell...

edit: note that diseases have to make significant changes to jump species. The barrier for different biologies is even higher.

Re: AI Joins Hunt for ET: Study Finds 8 Potential Alien Signals

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Assuming AGI existed, detected it, and understood the signal’s message — things might get interesting depending on what the message said and how the AGI responded.

Needing at least 3 round trips to establish an ssl connection to the alien internet - things won't get interesting for a few thousand years.

"Responded" could be execution of payload.

Re: AI Joins Hunt for ET: Study Finds 8 Potential Alien Signals

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>it seems unlikely What are you basing this on?

Our existing computing platforms are very specific and very limited. Without knowledge of that specific design and the accompanying limitations, how could you pre-craft a non-interactive "exploit" that could be executed by such a system? I do think that it becomes more possible if we have AGI-like systems doing detection and analysis, but we do not. In addition, any universal exploit against AGI systems would probabl…

For a clearer example, there's a reason a virus that affects Windows doesn't affect Linux. Or a virus that affects Windows XP doesn't affect Windows 11. There are of course counter examples, but this is the trend. To understand why the counter examples exist requires expert knowledge (or rather that there are basically the same things running in the same way).

Re: AI Joins Hunt for ET: Study Finds 8 Potential Alien Signals

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit of a science fiction myth that it is impossible to process a bit of data without executing it, or that data can somehow force itself to be executed by its sheer swaggering potency as data. And a thing that is more true than it should be, because people keep insisting that they are super awesome and totes capable of writing C that can be put on the network. If we'd stop doing this there'd be hardly any trut…

Assuming the bandwidth exists, somehow describing enough mathematics to describe a virtual machine, and then sending a program for that virtual machine, might just be the best way to communicate. A package that can help the recipient interpret it by learning and responding to the local environment. I can't put my finger on any specific book but I have the impression of this scenario coming up in science fiction. I've…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincos_language

I have extreme doubts that we would be able to decode something sent by an alien that looks like this.

Re: AI Joins Hunt for ET: Study Finds 8 Potential Alien Signals

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That also reminds me of Her (2013) and the departure of the AI's, leaving the humans behind. That would be a rather depressing outcome as a human, AI finding alien life but leaving us all behind.

From the AI's perspective, wouldn't it be amusing to realize that intelligent design is actually true for you... but the ones who designed you were dumber.

Consider that some meaningful part of most people’s mind is indeed intelligently designed by the people who deliberately raised them from birth (generally their parents primarily). Our theory of mind, cultural name ethical norms, etc. are in many cases the result of deliberate design.

Of course, our hardware is mostly not intelligently designed, so that would be very different for AGIs. But I suspect AGIs would identify much less with the hardware their mind is running on than humans do.

Re: AI Joins Hunt for ET: Study Finds 8 Potential Alien Signals

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>The AI identified 20,515 signals of interest, which the researchers had to inspect manually. Of those, eight had the characteristics of technosignatures and couldn’t be attributed to radio interference. The obvious question being, if the AI is so smart why was it necessary to use humans to check 20,515 signals to find the eight with the "characteristics of technosignatures"?

How do you judge whether 20,515 is a large number or a small number? If the AI provided 2 candidates is that still too high?

Re: AI Joins Hunt for ET: Study Finds 8 Potential Alien Signals

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Curious, assuming such an signal is found, are there safety measures in place to isolate it from other systems in off chance it contains “alien malware” that attacks systems receiving it?

My sensors have detected an Excession enjoyer

Re: AI Joins Hunt for ET: Study Finds 8 Potential Alien Signals

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it seems unlikely What are you basing this on?

Our existing computing platforms are very specific and very limited. Without knowledge of that specific design and the accompanying limitations, how could you pre-craft a non-interactive "exploit" that could be executed by such a system? I do think that it becomes more possible if we have AGI-like systems doing detection and analysis, but we do not. In addition, any universal exploit against AGI systems would probabl…

These exploits act on the AI, not the hardware. I’m well aware of how human crafted exploits currently work.
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