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Tipping Is Spreading and It Sucks

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Re: Tipping Is Spreading and It Sucks

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Post by 27153 »

j0hnyl wrote: post #10
RealPlastic wrote: post #7

I simply do not return to a restaurant where the server holds the POS screen in front of you at the table for all to see. Usually the tip is pre-selected for something like 25%. Clicking "custom" and choosing a different amount is intended to make you feel embarrassed. Another place is counter service. They want a tip right after you order and are paying. Haven't even tried the food. No idea how the service is going…

Are there even any places left for you to go?

Right! That would disqualify me from going to every coffee shop and small quick service restaurant in my city.

Re: Tipping Is Spreading and It Sucks

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Post by hkatx »

Similar to another user, I tend to visit the places less often that have the tip terminal. It happened more subconsciously.

Nearly every coffee place does get ruled out except establishments like starbucks. Even corporate chains have a tip menu, last I encountered was during thanksgiving day and I was happy to tip that day since holidays. But moving on, I order using order ahead feature. The tip menu is there but its a software UI with no barista standing behind.

After reading the article, I realized even for picking food up I end up using the restaurant site or using the pickup option through the food delivery apps. Restuarants often already either have a rack or a setup for delivery orders.

Re: Tipping Is Spreading and It Sucks

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Post by jerojero »

When I visited the US I was surprised at the ubiquitous tiping culture.

Here in Australia we don't even need to tip in restaurants. You order your food, you pay the price, and you go home. Servers are nice because that's part of their job and they are being paid to do that.

Re: Tipping Is Spreading and It Sucks

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Post by gamblor956 »

Note: in California, tipped staff receive minimum wage (or higher) before accounting for tips, so any tips they receive is in addition to their normal pay.

This is not the case in most of the U.S., where tips relieve the business of part of their obligation to pay wages.

Re: Tipping Is Spreading and It Sucks

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Post by nelgaard »

jerojero wrote: post #13

When I visited the US I was surprised at the ubiquitous tiping culture. Here in Australia we don't even need to tip in restaurants. You order your food, you pay the price, and you go home. Servers are nice because that's part of their job and they are being paid to do that.

The same here in Europe. But they are getting US-style terminals and software here.

Sometimes waiters get a little embarrassed about it and tell you to just put in a zero amount. Sometimes they even put in zero themselves before handing you the terminal.

Tipping does happen, but "suggestions" for a specific amount or percentage seems wrong. Then you might as well include it in the price, which is what we have been doing since 1969.

Re: Tipping Is Spreading and It Sucks

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Post by 31337Logic »

nelgaard wrote: post #16
jerojero wrote: post #13

When I visited the US I was surprised at the ubiquitous tiping culture. Here in Australia we don't even need to tip in restaurants. You order your food, you pay the price, and you go home. Servers are nice because that's part of their job and they are being paid to do that.

The same here in Europe. But they are getting US-style terminals and software here. Sometimes waiters get a little embarrassed about it and tell you to just put in a zero amount. Sometimes they even put in zero themselves before handing you the terminal. Tipping does happen, but "suggestions" for a specific amount or percentage seems wrong. Then you might as well include it in the price, which is what we have been do…

Don't get pressured/suckered into making the same mistake we did.

Re: Tipping Is Spreading and It Sucks

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Post by 31337Logic »

jfengel wrote: post #9

I was happy to tip, even for counter service, during the pandemic. I think it sucks that people were out literally risking their lives to give me a cup of coffee and a sandwich. "Essential" personnel have long been underpaid. The pandemic made that more obvious. I would rather that they get a decent salary, and set prices accordingly, but I can at least show my gratitude for the genuine risk they're taking. Now that…

> I was happy to tip, even for counter service, during the pandemic. I think it sucks that people were out literally risking their lives to give me a cup of coffee and a sandwich.

And you were out, also, literally risking your life to pay for it. That argument goes both ways so shouldn't be seen as the sole/primary reason to tip.

Re: Tipping Is Spreading and It Sucks

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Post by edmundsauto »

peoplearepeople wrote: post #4
tabtab wrote: post #2

Minor tipping is a good thing in that it's a way to give feedback and create incentive. The problem is that the expected amount is too high. A full-service restaurant expects around 15%, but a sandwich shop should expect more like 5%. Tipping should also be done after the service is rendered, not before. Otherwise, it has no feedback value.

It's a terrible thing. Just set the price and be done with it.

At least with tips, I’m reasonably confident the staff are getting it.

Re: Tipping Is Spreading and It Sucks

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Post by propogandist »

Shopify appears to be integrating a tipping feature into checkouts. They even have the same % breakouts as the POS terminals.

It's unclear why any sane person want to contribute tips to an online merchant who hasn't even fulfilled an order?!

There's also this new IRS program going after the service economy that's reliant on tips https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-introduces-new-service-indu...

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