They look cool and all, but how much does this cut down on efficiency?
I guess that doesn't matter much as long as it pushes customers who would have never otherwise used such things to do so at all. in other words, for historical sites or places where aesthetic matters a lot , the conversation is "should we use these less efficient panels that fulfill our aesthetic requirements, or should we forego the use of solar all together?"
Solar panels disguised as terracotta tiles in Pompeii
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#23An independent research center lists the efficiency as 0.111: https://integratedpv.eurac.edu/en/products/modules/invisible...
Anybody know how that compares to an average panel on the market today? From a quick search it seems like the best you can actually buy is 0.22 efficiency.
Edit: The best available on this site is 0.216 (https://integratedpv.eurac.edu/en/products/modules/fu-425-m-...), but I think they only test Italian-manufactured products. 0.111 is on the low end, but significantly better than a few things like solar glass.
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#24These would look great in Arizona. Anyone know the ballpark for roofing a McMansion? Their site doesn’t have pricing.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Inside the module there are incorporated standard monocrystalline silicon cells. The surface, that is opaque at the sight but translucent to sun rays, allows the light to enter and feed the cells. When they talk about "sun rays", do they mean the UV portion of sunlight? Because if the material were transparent to visible light, it would be, well, transparent, wouldn't it?
Monocrystalline Si has a 1.2 eV band gap iirc, meaning it absorbs everything smaller (more energetic) than ~ 1100 nm. Our eyes see, what, 200-600 nm? Removing the 200-600 nm bit leaves you with approx 50% of the energy left between 600 and 1100 nm, glancing at [1] This is all VERY back of the envelope... but I think these lose around half of the energy you'd get out of conventional panels. [1] https://www.researchgat…
It's unfortunate they don't just have actual numbers on their website, which is a pretty terrible indicator, especially with the orientation of the panels being around 45 degrees.
[1] http://environmath.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/spectral_l... from http://environmath.org/2020/12/17/why-solar-panels-cant-get-...
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#27Didn't Tesla initially have a plan to disguise solar panels as slate?
You're thinking of SolarCity which was bought by Tesla. There were promises of these kinds of solar cells that I was excited about. Not sure what ever happened to them.
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#28Is reducing the amount of light that these panels receive likely to increase their effective lifetime? Or: Does total energy absorbed dictate decay of solar panels? Does that affect EROI calculations?
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#29Didn't Tesla initially have a plan to disguise solar panels as slate?
As it happens I found this exact Italian company a few weeks ago trying to research if anyone else was trying to do the tile approach and was excited that there's at least something, even if they're a long time away if ever from any sort of global scale. But it's an approach I'd really like to see as part of the mix. Just driving around and looking, it's obvious people care about how their homes look. Since technologically it's feasible to have aesthetic solar power, it'd be nice to have a bunch of good options there just as there are for traditional roofs.
As far as Tesla, I wonder if they may come to regret burning some bridges and reducing their early lead/mindshare/diversification. The recent crashing prices for car EVs as other players pile into the space shows some of the risk, I bet they wished they'd put more effort into getting the Cybertruck out right now. They may ultimately feel the same about solar and home/business energy. I've got PowerWalls and are mostly happy with them, but I'm very interested in some of the vanadium redox flow batteries getting developed (like by StorEn) as well. Tesla has had an early lead but I think they could easily still squander that.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Inside the module there are incorporated standard monocrystalline silicon cells. The surface, that is opaque at the sight but translucent to sun rays, allows the light to enter and feed the cells. When they talk about "sun rays", do they mean the UV portion of sunlight? Because if the material were transparent to visible light, it would be, well, transparent, wouldn't it?
Monocrystalline Si has a 1.2 eV band gap iirc, meaning it absorbs everything smaller (more energetic) than ~ 1100 nm. Our eyes see, what, 200-600 nm? Removing the 200-600 nm bit leaves you with approx 50% of the energy left between 600 and 1100 nm, glancing at [1] This is all VERY back of the envelope... but I think these lose around half of the energy you'd get out of conventional panels. [1] https://www.researchgat…