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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by travisgriggs »

galkk wrote: post #130
romellem wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not kidding, one of the reasons I left my last job was when our parent company forced Outlook, Sharepoint, and Teams on us (vs. Google mail, Google Drive, and Slack). That change on its own isn't the worst thing of course, there were other reasons why I was considering leaving, but it was definitely one of the last straws. Those MS solutions are just worse than the competition, and getting frustrated at your bugg…

Outlook is more or less fine, but share point and teams are abominations

I credit Outlook with the downfall of email as a defacto form of internet communication.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by make3 »

agilob wrote: post #148
roboben wrote: post #27

The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I choose Teams over Slack any day. I much prefer thread-based chat than message based chat. Teams forces people to use top message as a topic, then respond to messages under that topic. Slack message is just a message. You want to search something on Teams, you get full threads, chat is part of documentation. You want to find something on Slack, you need to click on date of the re…

i think you're confusing slack and discord, everything is in threads in slack

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by [deleted] »

mathverse wrote: post #131
theironhammer wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's class war. The hedge funds see workers purely as a cost. They ignore the value workers create. This class war has been going on since Reagan and even before that (oil crisis early 70s). It's just only now spread to tech workers. See the chart here: www.epi.org/productivity

Especially tech workers in the US were incredibly cocky not realizing they are the working class too. It was inevitable that we will all get hit because of that attitude.

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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by sosodev »

tibbon wrote: post #17
jobs_throwaway wrote: post #11

wild how so many companies are laying off 7-15% of their workforce in such quick succession

It doesn't appear that any of the big ones are completely reversing their hiring sprees from the past 3 years; rather they are re-adjusting in realizing that can't hit their profit targets at this rate, and that many of their ambitious projects aren't panning out. Many of these companies ballooned their hiring during covid, increasing at 20%-40% a year (or more!)

This argument is so tired. It’s not okay for every tech company to lay off 10% of their workforce. It does not matter that their headcount is still higher than it was a couple of years ago.

This argument also completely ignores the fact that many of these companies, GitHub included, could afford to keep these employees around. When the industry goes on another hiring spree they’ll hire them all back and more anyway.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by slut »

willio58 wrote: post #111
lampshades wrote: post #5

This really is the techpocalypse, huh? I’m young (35) but I’ve never seen layoffs so continuous. I wonder how far into the year this will go and if we’ll ever come back. Maybe companies truly will start offshoring.

It's really nothing to worry about for the average dev. Companies are taking this opportunity to cull the heard of the under-performers. Doing so at this time means they'll stir up less controversy since every tech company is doing the same. Github grips immense power and money. Just look at their position. 1. Owned by Microsoft but allowed to operate independently. 2. Microsoft owns VScode and now works closely with…

10% of the company is not underperformers. 10% of the company probably hasn't even worked there for a year.

They like everyone else hired too fast and the free covid money boom is over.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by shp0ngle »

agilob wrote: post #148
roboben wrote: post #27

The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I choose Teams over Slack any day. I much prefer thread-based chat than message based chat. Teams forces people to use top message as a topic, then respond to messages under that topic. Slack message is just a message. You want to search something on Teams, you get full threads, chat is part of documentation. You want to find something on Slack, you need to click on date of the re…

in my experience, the threads in Teams suck so much that everyone just moves chat to private groups that are still un-threaded.

in my company, we moved from slack to teams, and EVERYTHING just moved to giant private chats.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by brookst »

savanaly wrote: post #166
agilob wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I choose Teams over Slack any day. I much prefer thread-based chat than message based chat. Teams forces people to use top message as a topic, then respond to messages under that topic. Slack message is just a message. You want to search something on Teams, you get full threads, chat is part of documentation. You want to find something on Slack, you need to click on date of the re…

I'm quite confused because almost all conversation in my company's slack happens in threads. Maybe your impression of Slack was formed in a time when they didn't have threads?

I'm also confused because almost all of my company's Teams usage happens in unthreaded chats.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by gamblor956 »

roboben wrote: post #27

The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.

At work I use Zoom, Slack, Teams, Google Meet and even Blue Jeans (due to dealing with multiple legal entities acquired over time that each use their own communications platform.)

Teams is the perfect middleground: it's not particularly good at anything but it's not bad at anything either, and it can do everything.

Slack is as good for text-based communication as it is bad at video communications (we've never gotten Huddle working properly). Google Meet is adequate at video calls, but has suffered serious degradation in terms of functionality over the past year that makes us question Google's commitment to it going forward. Zoom is great for video meetings, doesn't do anything else. Blue Jeans is like Zoom, but expensive and it requires its own special hardware, but its buttery smooth and stable as a rock.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by pm90 »

mathverse wrote: post #30

I am absolutely certain this is to suppress wages and employee rights. It is a coordinated effort across the industry and should be immediately investigated.

It seems unlikely. Something as large as this would require a lot of secrecy to be a coordinated effort and not get leaked.

Like a sibling comment said, its overwhelmingly more likely that we’re seeing just how bad leadership really is at Tech.

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