Didnt MS want everyone back in office? I'm confused? Or do github employees now only have access to MS offices?
GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#62The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.
this is terrifying. for all the grief people give Slack, I've used both and I would seriously consider leaving a company that expected me to use Teams long term.
Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Worse than losing your job?
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Please explain the relevance of your comment?
Also, let's save the National Socialism comparisons for examples involving antisemitism, genocide, and authoritarianism. It is better to have dynamic range in our conversations, otherwise it all gets watered down.
Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#64wild how so many companies are laying off 7-15% of their workforce in such quick succession
Anyone made redundant by LLM who is not in a protected class will be fired, otherwise top management violates legal duty to maximize shareholder value.
this is pretty dumb, LLM isn't replacing any actual coders
Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#65This really is the techpocalypse, huh? I’m young (35) but I’ve never seen layoffs so continuous. I wonder how far into the year this will go and if we’ll ever come back. Maybe companies truly will start offshoring.
To be honest we're not yet .com bubble level. That saw many many _bankruptcies_ .
It took microsoft ~17 yrs to go from it's .com bubble to breakeven, though others rebounded faster.
Also, if you're an engineer, keep in mind the org mix in layoffs. AFAIK It's more like the recruiter-pocalypse as companies do not foresee needing those headcount to increase headcount... Yes some engineers in the mix, but not a major component...
Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#66They still have 1 job opening ...
Couldn't they find someone internally?
Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#67This really is the techpocalypse, huh? I’m young (35) but I’ve never seen layoffs so continuous. I wonder how far into the year this will go and if we’ll ever come back. Maybe companies truly will start offshoring.
> "I wonder how far into the year this will go and if we’ll ever come back."
We'll be back, but not until the industry discovers something of actual value.
My internal narrative of all of this is that many of us came up during the smartphone revolution which legitimately created a ton of new value. Products that could not exist before now could (and did!), resulting in a flurry of new companies, new products, and new ways of making money. This was the driving force during the past tech boom.
Then I think we started reaching the end of the smartphone boom. The industry needed to find some new technology that would similarly open a similar phase of rapid growth. It chose to bet on the gig economy, followed by crypto. Both of those were near-complete busts.
I think a lot of the pain we're experiencing is rooted in this. We're past the smartphone explosion but no real technology since then has actually unlocked a whole lot of new value, and in fact has burned investors badly.
Until we actually find this next-step technology things will be in the doldrums. Lots of people are betting on "AI" (or really just LLMs), and time will tell - I suspect it will be pretty transformative for some players and product areas but not in the industry-shaking way that is currently being hyped.
I have no doubt we'll find this at some point - after all technology continues to march forward, but I'm not convinced there is anything necessarily imminent that will drive the kind of growth smartphones did.
Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
>i) Effective immediately, we will be moving laptop refreshes from three years to four years. ii) We will be moving to Microsoft Teams for the sole purpose of video conferencing, saving significant cost and simplifying cross-company and customer conversations Layoffs and having to use teams? Talk about a morale hit
But what's wrong with Teams? It works well enough for me in Firefox on Linux. But OK, I only joined customer-initiated meetings, and was never presenting, only watching and talking, so maybe never used some important but non-working feature.
> and was never presenting
Ah. There you go.
It's even worse on non Apple silicon Macs. It doesn't seem to care that you have an I7.
Zoom call quality is far superior and the client is less of a pig (if you don't use Team's web version).
Now, for text conversations? Teams is borderline unusable. Given the option I'd rather use IRC (Team search is horrible anyway). If you are used to Slack, it's horrible.
Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#69This really is the techpocalypse, huh? I’m young (35) but I’ve never seen layoffs so continuous. I wonder how far into the year this will go and if we’ll ever come back. Maybe companies truly will start offshoring.
This is nothing compared to 2000, or even 2008. You might have a point about offshoring. With tech workers insisting they're just as productive working from home, you might as well hire people in countries with cheaper homes.
which is why America needs deflation, or deflationary pressures (such as devaluation of the dollar against foreign currencies expressed as local price inflation) .
Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
>i) Effective immediately, we will be moving laptop refreshes from three years to four years. ii) We will be moving to Microsoft Teams for the sole purpose of video conferencing, saving significant cost and simplifying cross-company and customer conversations Layoffs and having to use teams? Talk about a morale hit
But what's wrong with Teams? It works well enough for me in Firefox on Linux. But OK, I only joined customer-initiated meetings, and was never presenting, only watching and talking, so maybe never used some important but non-working feature.
I think that teams is good for meeting scheduling and conferencing.
For a primary communication channel, teams is terrible.
As long as I can use an IRC inspired tool (slack, discord, irc) to chat, I'll tolerate teams as a virtual conference room.