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Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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post #371

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> "It doesn’t matter where you work, as long as you get the work done." This sentiment is weird to me. When people express this, I think they have a myopic view on work. Like they view work as a series of JIRA tickets that need to be closed out. As a senior leader, one of your jobs is to teach the younger folks how to do their jobs efficiently. Your personal output is not that important. You are there to be a force m…

> As a senior leader, one of your jobs is to teach the younger folks how to do their jobs efficiently. I'm in the leadership position you describe, and I've found remote work to be amazing for teaching because of screen-sharing. It's so much easier to get the team talking about some code over Teams/Slack/etc. than it is awkwardly huddled around someone's monitor or looking at a TV in the office. Remotely, you're able…

> I'm in the leadership position you describe, and I've found remote work to be amazing for teaching because of screen-sharing.

For years now, well before the pandemic, this is how such things have been done everywhere I've worked. The two people aren't huddled around the same machine, they're each in their cubes doing screen-sharing.

It's just a better way to do it, remote work or not.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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I find it kind of amusing (and annoying) that employers like to play the salaray game as it fits their needs. I got interviewed a few times, and some stated that they cannot pay the salary I was asking, because i don't live in a high-density, high-cost-for-living area, while others argued that they have to respect their local salaries, which are below what I would expect in my area. I'm yet to meet the employer that…

> It should be about the value I bring to the company Your salary has never been even related to the value you bring the company. That is just the absolute maximum they're willing to pay. Your salary is the lowest your company thinks they can pay to get a suitable employee. They pay remote workers less because there are remote workers willing to work for less, simple as that.

This. Proof of it is in the pay rates of CEOs.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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post #308

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I’m really surprised that nobody has set up address as a service yet so that you can claim for example to live in New York by virtue of an address auto command “a New York salary”.

And then pay New York taxes? And possibly NYC too?

You don't actually live there. Filing NY taxes could be tax fraud if you don't live there,although the rules may allow you to if you work there.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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post #170

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Except the market ain't going to bear it, not for a long time anyway. If I am a CEO of a remote-first company and it truly doesn't matter for me where the employees are located it makes no sense to overpay for labor in high cost of living area. So if there's a company A that pays $X in high COL area, and $X/3 in a low COL area. And then there's a company B that pays $X/2 everywhere. Then people from the low COL area…

"As a result, company B gets the same results 2 times cheaper" - that's just an assumption. If I turn it around, it sounds - "people on average in high COL area do the same work two times faster than in low COL area".

There are reasons to want to live in a high COL area that attract people to live there regardless of job prospects alone. If you want to hire young smart people who're into culture and nightlife and not having to drive everywhere, the best will be in expensive cities.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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While it is true, the best you can do is vote with your feet. I have had the situation where I was offered "locally competitive salaries" (not in the USA though), and every time I've rejected it I had a 50%-100% better offer within few weeks . There ARE companies that will pay better and independently of your location, you do need to be good though (as in companies are proactively seeking you out) and keep searching.…

I’m really surprised that nobody has set up address as a service yet so that you can claim for example to live in New York by virtue of an address auto command “a New York salary”.

My state's DMV is able to identify postal addresses that are not physical residences. My guess is that they get this data from USPS, which requires remailing services to register their business. Wouldn't be surprised if the DMV also checks for how many people at a given address have applied for a government ID and if it exceeds a particular threshold, flag it for investigation.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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post #235

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Anyone not within the circle of a family with generation spanning wealth.

Not quite sure what you mean. Normal people in the western world are richer are better off than ever before. The same goes for people in South Korea or Singapore, countries which have recently joined the rich world. Seems to be all going pretty well.

Better off how?

Can't afford to buy a house or start a family at anything like the rate 50 years ago that's for sure.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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I’m really surprised that nobody has set up address as a service yet so that you can claim for example to live in New York by virtue of an address auto command “a New York salary”.

My state's DMV is able to identify postal addresses that are not physical residences. My guess is that they get this data from USPS, which requires remailing services to register their business. Wouldn't be surprised if the DMV also checks for how many people at a given address have applied for a government ID and if it exceeds a particular threshold, flag it for investigation.

Yea but you could legally run a bunk house or even just keep a spare bed “available” for someone for $50/month or something and they “live there”. Not saying it would be worth it per-se but definitely ways around that for anyone who is willing. The government can’t regulate something like that very well.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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I wish I had an office to go to. I never leave my house anymore and it is becoming very very old. Before everyone says, “oh, go get some hobbies and live your life, work isn’t here for your social life,” understand that I have young children and no free time. I am nearing middle age in a city I moved to for work. I don’t have the base level of social interaction most people inherit by birth or school and no time to b…

> I miss asking my coworkers how their weekends went. What stops you from doing that when working remotely? You don't just have to chat about work.

I’d assume the parent comment is more interested in the in-person interaction than the content of small talk.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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post #109

I've worked either both fully remote and fully in the office over the past decade depending on job at the time, and noticed little difference in work productivity at home vs. the office. The major difference has been in the dead time around work. Time spent commuting, lunch breaks, coffee breaks, etc. When working in an office, nothing much is achieved during those (maybe some socialising or reading), and work takes…

The dead time when at work, benefits work. The dead time when at home, benefits you.

That's the summary

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