7% seems like a number shared in a non paper across tech ceos. lol
Gitlab to lay off 7% of staff
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Re: Gitlab to lay off 7% of staff
#272> The current macroeconomic environment is tough No, it isn't, and it's embarrassing at this point to continue insisting this. The macroeconomic environment is good, particularly in the United States. Business investment is growing at 3% a quarter (annualized), which is better than the average over the past decade. Employment is growing rapidly. Inflation has been tame over the past six months. And wages are growing…
if, as you say, the economy is super strong and employment opportunities are robust, then nobody should worry about the layoffs because hey, you’ll find a new gig easily!
Re: Gitlab to lay off 7% of staff
#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
Disney is laying off people because their movies keep bombing in the theaters. All they do is remakes and spinoffs of the famous old IPs they devoured, but that gravy train is coming to a stop. After a while people get tired of watching more half-baked Star Wars and Marvel sequels of bootleg quality. They're running out of franchises to milk, and making something new and original is not in their corporate culture.
I’m guessing you didn’t read the article because Avatar made in over 2 billion dollars, exceeding even their expectations, becoming the 6th highest grossing film of all time. Or maybe it bombed, beats me.
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Re: Gitlab to lay off 7% of staff
#274Listened to a great podcast about layoffs yesterday ( https://hbr.org/podcast/2023/02/why-many-companies-get-layof... ) The takeaway is that layoffs are extremely trust destroying for employees NOT laid off, and in the end not clear they're a financial net positive. Both with direct and indirect costs (lack of engagement from employees, etc).
My issue with analyses like this is they argue that layoffs are a bad idea and it's just companies shooting themselves in a foot. That's what people want to hear, so it gets a lot of clicks and citations. But, this also means that all the big companies (and that's a lot of them) that just announced layoffs made a obviously bad move. Are they all stupid? I find it hard to believe. It's more plausible, that yeah, layof…
I don't think the comment is claiming the layoffs are a bad idea per se, it is merely claiming the cited reason is disingenuous.
Re: Gitlab to lay off 7% of staff
#275> The current macroeconomic environment is tough No, it isn't, and it's embarrassing at this point to continue insisting this. The macroeconomic environment is good, particularly in the United States. Business investment is growing at 3% a quarter (annualized), which is better than the average over the past decade. Employment is growing rapidly. Inflation has been tame over the past six months. And wages are growing…
> If there are problems, they are Gitlab problems, not macroeconomic problems. Agreed. But pretty much every business is taking a hard look at their SaaS spend and are making cuts where possible.
It seems it's better to be a SaaS provider than a SaaS user. I'm curious how the pendulum will swing as this all plays out.
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#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been reading these predictions on HN for almost a year now, and so far they've been false. If people keep repeating them, eventually we'll witness a recession and they'll be right, but that doesn't make their analyses correct, it just makes them a broken clock.
So whatever the outcome, they are wrong and you are right?
They're giving a broad time frame for recession to hit, and they keep moving it back, so eventually they will necessarily be right. In other words, they make predictions that are so vague, they necessarily can't be wrong. This is why their predictions are useless.
Re: Gitlab to lay off 7% of staff
#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
Disney is laying off people because their movies keep bombing in the theaters. All they do is remakes and spinoffs of the famous old IPs they devoured, but that gravy train is coming to a stop. After a while people get tired of watching more half-baked Star Wars and Marvel sequels of bootleg quality. They're running out of franchises to milk, and making something new and original is not in their corporate culture.
I’m guessing you didn’t read the article because Avatar made in over 2 billion dollars, exceeding even their expectations, becoming the 6th highest grossing film of all time. Or maybe it bombed, beats me.
FTA, Iger's goal is the "return [of] creativity to the center of the company."
Re: Gitlab to lay off 7% of staff
#278> The current macroeconomic environment is tough No, it isn't, and it's embarrassing at this point to continue insisting this. The macroeconomic environment is good, particularly in the United States. Business investment is growing at 3% a quarter (annualized), which is better than the average over the past decade. Employment is growing rapidly. Inflation has been tame over the past six months. And wages are growing…
Well said.
Almost every CEO that uses this line is essentially trying to avoid saying “we foolishly overhired during 2021 and are correcting for that”.
Saying that would mean the CEO is admitting that they made a misguided decision.
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#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The main effect is that you lose the trust of the top performers. These will be the in the lookout for new opportunities the day after the layoffs are done. If you cut 10%, expect 10% from the top to flee within a couple of years. I don't know, but I imagine that there's a pretty substantial difference between an isolated layoff and an industry wide layoff. Maybe it hits differently when you get to see the sausage…
Startups. Top performers at Google, if they've been smart about their finances, are sitting on a few million in the bank and have runways between ~10 years to infinity. They can afford to work for equity for a few years to take a slice of the pie when the company takes over another industry.
Exactly.
My own pet theory about this round of layoffs is as follows. The tech companies spent 2021 massively over-estimating the value of boot camp folks and new grads. They spent 2022 learning a tough lesson. I saw this first hand. So much lost time mentoring low-quality hires.
Now they will spend 2023 massively underestimating the value of their senior folks (10+ yoe engineers, scientists with deep domain expertise, experienced people managers, etc.). The problem in 2024-2026 will be that experienced engineers/managers and PhDs who know how to operate well in industry do not grow on trees. Fixing that mistake is going to be a LOT harder than firing a bunch of junior engineers. It may take a decade or longer, and I think the burnt bridges could even be existential for at least one of the FAANGs. (I also bet you'll guess a different one than me, so maybe more than one ;-))
Also: the alternative is not just startups. Smaller companies, sole props, and of course also skiing.
I am getting very close to that "~10 years to infinity" number in my accounts. I might do a startup, probably self-funded, likely keep it small. I know who my first 5 customers will be, the work will be fun, I know I can execute well. Doing this at a FAANG would require pulling in 20+ full timers for a year before shipping our first line of code. Totally not worth the ridiculous pageantry when I can do it on my own or with 1-2 helping hands.
I'll be making a tiny fraction of what I make today, but the work will be enjoyable and I'll be building what I've wanted to build for the last ten years. Also, I will own the damn thing, which is much more tax-efficient than taking a few years of massive paychecks, and that's something I am more sensitive to now that my money is making so much money. If I were laid off today, I'd need at least double my current comp to return to a FAANG. And even then probably wouldn't.
Re: Gitlab to lay off 7% of staff
#280> The current macroeconomic environment is tough No, it isn't, and it's embarrassing at this point to continue insisting this. The macroeconomic environment is good, particularly in the United States. Business investment is growing at 3% a quarter (annualized), which is better than the average over the past decade. Employment is growing rapidly. Inflation has been tame over the past six months. And wages are growing…
Record high credit card balances, record low personal savings, 40 year high inflation, rising interest rates and no sign of the fed stopping. Housing affordability at its lowest point since the real estate bubble and crash of 07/08. You are on some very good copium if you believe the economy is in good shape.
Yet unemployment is at the lowest levels. So the economy is doing just fine.