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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by zigman1 »

leeches wrote: post #207

I would say, at least it’s not as predatory and unethical as crypto, where the people involved are knowingly harming others. But it seems like the current trendline for “AI” is going to be worse. Why be excited about building tools that will undermine democracy and cast doubt on the authenticity of every single photo, video, and audio clip. Now it can be done cheaply, by anyone. It will become good enough that we can…

To be honest, I see some positivity in that.

> Now it can be done cheaply, by anyone. It will become good enough that we cannot believe any form of media. And also make it impossible to determine if the written word is coming from an actual person. This is going to be weaponized against us.

We shouldn't believe any form of media straight away. We only do so because we think faking it is hard and why should one do. Being able to produce it cheaply could make people more attentative and skeptical of things around them. Blogspam sucks mostly out of consumers belief that this is something that was written by a person who deeply cares about them. Average internet consumer consumes shitty internet not because he is ignorant, but because he or she doesn't know enough to care.

But maybe I'm to optimistic, I just think people are not aware of stuff around them

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by hhjinks »

bioemerl wrote: post #171
liveoneggs wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, to you, ChatGPT is approaching AGI?

I do believe if we are going to get AGI without some random revolutionary breakthrough, to achieve it iteratively, It's going to come through language models. Think about it. What's the most expressive medium we have which is also absolutely inundated with data? To broadly be able to predict human speech you need to broadly be able to predict the human mind. To broadly predict a human mind requires you build a model…

> To broadly be able to predict human speech you need to broadly be able to predict the human mind

This is a non sequitur. The human mind does a whole lot more than string words together. Being able to predict which word would logically follow another does not require the ability to predict anything other than just that.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by falcor84 »

moron4hire wrote: post #227
auctoritas wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm more fatigued by people denying the obvious that ChatGPT and similar models are revolutionary. People have been fantasizing about the dawn of AI for almost a century and none managed to predict the rampant denialism of the past few months. I suppose it makes sense though. Denial is the default response when we face threats to our identity and sense of self worth.

The problem is that ChatGPT is about as useful as all the other dilettantes claiming to be polymaths. Shallow, unreliable knowledge on lots of things only gets you so far. Might be impressive at parties, but once there's real, hard work to do, these things fall apart.

Even if ChatGPT could only make us 10% better at solving the "easy" things but on a global scale, that is already a colossal benefit to society.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

leeches wrote: post #207

I would say, at least it’s not as predatory and unethical as crypto, where the people involved are knowingly harming others. But it seems like the current trendline for “AI” is going to be worse. Why be excited about building tools that will undermine democracy and cast doubt on the authenticity of every single photo, video, and audio clip. Now it can be done cheaply, by anyone. It will become good enough that we can…

If some person A decides to pay person B in crypto money instead of dollars or pesos, because it's more convenient/cheaper/faster, how is that harming you? That's their business. Nobody is forcing you to use crypto.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by mlboss »

weeksie wrote: post #198
sbilstein wrote: post #52

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Yep. I’m personally skeptical of so many other use cases for LLMs but CoPilot is fantastic and basically just autocomplete on rocket fuel. If you can use autocomplete, you can use CoPilot super effectively.

I almost always turn autocomplete off except in circumstances where the API has bad documentation. I also found that copilot was an aggravation more than a help after using it for a couple weeks.

We programmers enjoy writing code. We derive satisfaction when a code is perfect and elegant. But its going to end very soon. Artists are freaking out because things that takes them days to create now only take 2 seconds. We are next.

The writing is on the wall. Programming as we know it is going to end. We should be embracing these tools and should start moving from software developers to software architects role.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by mattr47 »

bioemerl wrote: post #171
liveoneggs wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, to you, ChatGPT is approaching AGI?

I do believe if we are going to get AGI without some random revolutionary breakthrough, to achieve it iteratively, It's going to come through language models. Think about it. What's the most expressive medium we have which is also absolutely inundated with data? To broadly be able to predict human speech you need to broadly be able to predict the human mind. To broadly predict a human mind requires you build a model…

"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." — Qui-Gon Jinn, The Phantom Menace.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by fourthark »

mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #189

Its the next hype train since the blockchain/crypto/nft's hype train. The crypto train has arrived at its overheated, decentralized set of train stations that all have remnants of fraudsters, high end GPU boxes scattered about, torn up flyers with the promise of untold riches, people scampering about in the shadows muttering "defi" to themselves, people getting carted off in handcuffs. Where will the AI hype train go…

A symptom of our bubble-powered economy in general.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by danaris »

wokwokwok wrote: post #152
morelisp wrote: post #46

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This is such a bullshit answer. No, I don't use it daily because I tried it for a couple hours and it suggested nothing useful and several harmful. Why would I keep using it?

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Hey, maybe don't outright call people liars about their own lived experiences just because they don't agree with yours...?

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

britch wrote: post #185
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #103

Engineers are always building things that are incredible, then turning their back on it as ordinary once the problem is solved, “oh that’s so normal, it was just a little math, a little tweak, no big deal”. AI has gone through a lot of stages of “only X can be done by a human”-> “X is done by AI” -> “oh, that’s just some engineering, that’s not really human” or “no longer in the category of mystical things we can’t e…

The problem with LLM in my view is that they're capped at what already exists. Using them for "creative" things, is that they can parrot things back in the statistically average way, or maybe attempt to echo it in an existing style. Copilot cannot use something because it prefers it, or thinks it's better than what's common. It can only repeat what is currently popular (and will likely be self reenforced over time) W…

All artists of every stripe have studied other art, have practiced what has come before, and have influences. What do you think they do in art school; they copy what came before. The old masters had understudies, that learned a style. Is it not an old saying in art that ‘there is nothing original’. Everything was based on something.

Humans are also regurgitating what they ‘inputted’ to their brain. For programming, isn’t it an old joke that everyone just copy/paste's from stack overflow?

Why if an AI does it (copy paste), it is somehow now a lesser accomplishment than when a human does it.

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