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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by cmcconomy »

Otek wrote: post #181
selbyk wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understanding code is only easier for simple tasks. I've definitely had copilot spit out complex algorithms that looked right at first glance but actually had major issues that required me to write it from scratch.

Thats why you test, this could also happen with code you wrote so it’s not an argument against copilot. Did you wrote your “complex algorithm” and then run and debugged it in your head? No, you’ve tested it. Do the same with Copilots code

If testing is the equalizer, there is no difference between black box code and something you fully understand. Which fair enough, is how ML works in general.

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Post by rapnie »

not_a_shill wrote: post #206
mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #189

Its the next hype train since the blockchain/crypto/nft's hype train. The crypto train has arrived at its overheated, decentralized set of train stations that all have remnants of fraudsters, high end GPU boxes scattered about, torn up flyers with the promise of untold riches, people scampering about in the shadows muttering "defi" to themselves, people getting carted off in handcuffs. Where will the AI hype train go…

>Its the next hype train since the blockchain/crypto/nft's hype train. It really isn't. The business use cases even with current tech are pretty obvious. The problem with crypto/blockchain stuff was that it was useless. An emperor with no clothes. Is there a more legitimate argument for why they're similar other than "hype" or am I missing something?

It is not about whether or not there's viable use cases or not. It is the hype added on top. Hype cycles are as old as IT. XML, Semantic Web, SOAP, Service Oriented Architecture, Enterprise Service Buses, Big Data, Serverless .. they all got their hype phase where you are bombarded with them to death, and then finally when that dies down some good applications remain.

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Post by moron4hire »

bioemerl wrote: post #171
liveoneggs wrote: post #160

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So, to you, ChatGPT is approaching AGI?

I do believe if we are going to get AGI without some random revolutionary breakthrough, to achieve it iteratively, It's going to come through language models. Think about it. What's the most expressive medium we have which is also absolutely inundated with data? To broadly be able to predict human speech you need to broadly be able to predict the human mind. To broadly predict a human mind requires you build a model…

> I do believe if we are going to get AGI without some random revolutionary breakthrough, to achieve it iteratively, It's going to come through language models.

Language is way, way far removed from intelligence. This is well-known in cognitive psychology. You'll find plenty of examples of stroke victims who are still intelligent but have lost the ability to produce coherent sentences, and (though much rarer) examples of people who can produce clear, eloquent prose, yet are so learning and mentally challenged that they can't even tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

version_five wrote: post #87
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I agree with you completely. I work in the field and I think your sentiment is way more common amongst people who know about the technology, vs the fair weather fans who have all jumped on the hype bandwagon recently. I actually posted the same thing (that it's no different than Eliza) a month or so ago, and got at least one hilarious dismissal, like the "I bet you make widgets" person that replied to you.

If you believe that ChatGPT is similar to Eliza, then I can guarantee that you have no rigorous no-wriggle-room definition of what intelligence is. Maybe you think you understand it, or have defined it, but I'm 100% certain any such definition is not 100% reductive and instead relies on other ill-defined works like "reasoning" etc etc.

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Post by vinnydiehl »

britch wrote: post #185
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #103

Engineers are always building things that are incredible, then turning their back on it as ordinary once the problem is solved, “oh that’s so normal, it was just a little math, a little tweak, no big deal”. AI has gone through a lot of stages of “only X can be done by a human”-> “X is done by AI” -> “oh, that’s just some engineering, that’s not really human” or “no longer in the category of mystical things we can’t e…

The problem with LLM in my view is that they're capped at what already exists. Using them for "creative" things, is that they can parrot things back in the statistically average way, or maybe attempt to echo it in an existing style. Copilot cannot use something because it prefers it, or thinks it's better than what's common. It can only repeat what is currently popular (and will likely be self reenforced over time) W…

The style can be influenced, however. It isn't unreasonable to suggest an AI that fine tunes the style of the LLM output to meet whatever metric you're after.

As far as creativity goes, human creativity is also a product of life experiences. Artistic styles are always influenced by others, etc.

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Post by city17 »

Although I understand your sentiment, I think it’s an inevitable phase in the development of any new groundbreaking technology.

People are still trying to figure out what the new AIs can and can’t be used for.

Some people will try to build ridiculous products that don’t work, but that’s just part of the learning process and those things will be weeded out over time.

There’s no ‘clean’ path to finding all the useful applications of these new models, so be prepared to be bombarded with AI powered tools for a few more years until the most useful ones have been figured out.

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Post by [deleted] »

carlosjobim wrote: post #226
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #103

Engineers are always building things that are incredible, then turning their back on it as ordinary once the problem is solved, “oh that’s so normal, it was just a little math, a little tweak, no big deal”. AI has gone through a lot of stages of “only X can be done by a human”-> “X is done by AI” -> “oh, that’s just some engineering, that’s not really human” or “no longer in the category of mystical things we can’t e…

> The human is computation also, unless you believe in souls or other worldly mysticism. I think it is incredibly sad that a person can be reduced to believing humans don't have souls. Do something different with yourself so you can discover the miracle of life. If you don't believe there is anything more to people and to the world than mechanical processes, I would challenge you to do a powerful spiritual activity.

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Post by sfpotter »

blueblob wrote: post #187
sfpotter wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I’ve heard loads of people refer to it as fake without an implied pejorative meaning.

The people I know that like it use artificial and the people that won't try it use fake.

Fascinating. Not all people are the same. Who’d have thought?

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

sharemywin wrote: post #143
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I'm sorry I don't want it to get much smarter. It you ask it to go through and comment code it does a pretty good job of that. some things better than others(not that great at CSS) need a basic definition of something. got it. tell it to write a function it's not bad. As a BA just tell it what your trying to do and what questions it should ask users. It will get some good ideas for you. Want it to be a PM have create…

What's the point of letting it comment code? The programmer who reads the code can run it as well.

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #238
tarsinge wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the obsession with AGI? The point is that ChatGPT is already useful.

Is it? I see it mostly generates BS much faster.

Brothers Grimm would like a word with you about what "BS" means.

ChatGPT is good at making up stories.

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