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Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

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Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

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old dinosaurs of economy - the old oligarchs tried to crash the internet by SOPA to maintain their crip in society ,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9xzXUQLuY Jay Rockefeller: Internet should have never existed

but the new generation does not allow to push themselves aside ...

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

#82
What's to protest? SOPA is pretty benign now.

This just in: The DNS will not be affected. Lamar Smith took it out.

And even before, two weeks ago, I posted that only foreign websites which would be prosecuted under US law would possibly be affected by this. So maybe bit.ly and the other URL shorteners would be affected, but that's not a big deal.

Before you throw a knee-jerk downvote on this, ask yourself ... are you aware of what the SOPA legislation says NOW? Or is this just inertia from the beginning from SOPA, and you are just against any form of going after foreign sites which host illegal downloads?

On a related note, I want to ask ... in the Russian community it's well known that VKontakte has all the songs and you can just listen to them. Does this mean that VK is on the hist list of SOPA? I don't think they care about US advertisers though. What do you guys think?

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

#83
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I know there's a lot of cynicism about whether SOPA law is really being abandoned, or whether it's just being temporarily shelved, but I'm really excited about how opponents have banded together, and how organizations like Reddit and Wikipedia have been willing to sacrifice page views and revenue to show their support and to increase public awareness. In the future, when someone advocates opposing an unjust law and s…

They should capitalize on the momentum and create an organization that can get everyone mobilized quickly in the future. Politicians kiss up to tiny groups just because they are somewhat influential...think of billions going to subsidies for farmers or even tiny 1 issue groups. Surely together, the tech community is much more influential than them.

I've been on the mailing list for "savetheinternet.com" (run by "freepress.net") for a while now--they pre-date SOPA/PIPA.

Confusingly enough, they're sending out messages now reading "end the SOPA blackout!" that actually refer to the lack of media coverage of SOPA.

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

#85
Personally I think that the OPEN act might be a better idea than SOPA.

Why not give the infringing websites a chance to enter US courts and have due process, or face the consequences in, say, a week? This would make it more costly to prosecute them, but also give them a chance to explain themselves. The courts could possibly give another resolution than just ordering the intermediaries to doing business with them. The threat would be the threat of SOPA (which wouldn't include DNS), but it would be only AFTER the foreign corporation has refused to comply with the decision of the US court for a month.

And yes, this would mean that all its subsidiaries and websites would be affected at once. It takes time to build a big broadcasting system, so it wouldn't be whack-a-mole, either.

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But information services like Google and Wikipedia shouldn't actually be shut off in a way that makes the information inaccessible. And that's exactly what SOPA would do. Permanently . Nobody is preventing you from accessing today's Wikipedia content on your own this Wednesday - go download a copy of their db right now if you're that scared and fearful of a day without it. The point is a strong demonstration of wha…

So shutting off information services is evil, and we're going to show it by committing the same evil? By that token we should teach everyone how bad genocide is by executing a random member of their family. We should certainly get people's attention by doing something very overt like replacing every article with a big dark SOPA message, but there really should still be a way to click through to the information. > We…

There's a philosophical distinction between suicide and murder and martyrdom. Just like there is between being thrust into a furnace and setting yourself on fire.

I actually don't know what it's going to be like to work on Wednesday without Wikipedia. But I think it's in all our interests to find out and put a face on these bills.

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The individuals may end up with six/seven figure cushy jobs, but the party may still suffer long-term consequences. When you're in politics, money is only good for one thing: buying votes. However, if a force stronger than free t-shirts and pens makes itself noticed, like mass-media reminding people how they got screwed, then interesting things can happen. I think the main issue here with these people is that the Int…

the party may still suffer long-term consequences Two party system, long term is only long enough for the other side to screw up, so 4 or 8 years tops.

That's what sucks. Everyone you pick from (except Ron Paul probably) doesn't really represent you. I think Obama had really good intentions, but then he ran up against reality aka Congress.

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

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post #82

What's to protest? SOPA is pretty benign now. This just in: The DNS will not be affected. Lamar Smith took it out. And even before, two weeks ago, I posted that only foreign websites which would be prosecuted under US law would possibly be affected by this. So maybe bit.ly and the other URL shorteners would be affected, but that's not a big deal. Before you throw a knee-jerk downvote on this, ask yourself ... are you…

"only foreign websites which would be prosecuted under US law would possibly be affected by this"

"not a big deal."

Says you. That is a pretty big fucking deal.

EDIT: I've read your submission. Your argument seems to be "ICE already does this, so we might as well let SOPA legitimize it". I hope you can see why most sensible people would find this logic dissatisfying.

Re: Wikipedia to Shut Down on Wednesday to Protest SOPA

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post #82

What's to protest? SOPA is pretty benign now. This just in: The DNS will not be affected. Lamar Smith took it out. And even before, two weeks ago, I posted that only foreign websites which would be prosecuted under US law would possibly be affected by this. So maybe bit.ly and the other URL shorteners would be affected, but that's not a big deal. Before you throw a knee-jerk downvote on this, ask yourself ... are you…

Forgive us for not trusting hearsay.

(If you have a link to an actual updated text of SOPA I will retract that statement. Additionally, as is said elsewhere on this page, there's still PIPA. Despite the title at the top Wiki is protesting both.)

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