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Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#51

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I can say with a certain degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily.

I've worked with teams that used Copilot. They claim it's great "Hey, now I don't have to actually spend any time writing all this boilerplate!" while for me, the person who has to review their code before releasing stuff, easier ways of writing boilerplate is not a positive, it's a negative.

If writing boilerplate becomes effortless, then you'll write more of it, instead of feeling the pain of writing it and then trying to reduce it, because you don't want to spend time writing it.

And since Copilot was accepted as a way to help the developers on the teams, the increase of boilerplate have been immersive.

I'm borderline pissed, but mostly at our own development processes, not at Copilot per se. But damn if I didn't wish it existed somehow, although it was inevitable it would at one point.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#52

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I can say with a certain degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily.

Yep. I’m personally skeptical of so many other use cases for LLMs but CoPilot is fantastic and basically just autocomplete on rocket fuel. If you can use autocomplete, you can use CoPilot super effectively.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#53

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I can say with a certain degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily.

I've used it quite a lot and I agree with the original post. It seemed really useful at first but then it started introducing several bugs in large blocks of code. I've stopped using it in the end since the small snippets on the one line size is trivial enough to write myself (with just vim proficiency) and the larger blocks on the order of a function autocomplete is too bug prone (and kills too much willpower budget to fix).

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#54

If you're tired of AI now you're gonna hate where we are going. Strap in! (…or take a good step back from the news cycle, check in once or twice a week instead of several times daily. News consumption reduction is good for mental health.)

Haha! Yeah good idea.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#55

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I can say with a certain degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily.

I haven't. Now you know for a fact :)

What I have seen about it ranged from things that can be nearly just as well handled by your $EDITOR's snippet functionality to things where my argument kicked in - I have to verify this generated code does what I want, ergo I have to read and understand something not written by me. Paired with the at least somewhat legally and ethical questionable source of the training data, this is not for me.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#56
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“AI” isn’t bull shit, it’s correctly labeled. It’s intelligence which is artificial: i.e. fake, ersatz, specious, not genuine… It’s our fault for not just reading the label. (I absolutely agree with your post and your viewpoint, just to be clear!)

"Artificial" is not synonymous with "fake". "Fake" implies a level of deception.

Not necessarily true. People talk about “fake meat” all the time but it’s clear there’s no level of fraudulence implied by this usage. It’s meant in the sense of “artificial meat”. There are multiple ways the word “fake” is used, and one is as a synonym for “artificial”.

However, in this case, it does seem that there is a level of fraudulence and deception. Given that “fake” often is used exactly the way you say, maybe “fake intelligence” would indeed be a more appropriate term.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#57

What winds me up is the mis-branding, sometimes deliberate sometimes not (which one is worse?!), of basic computer processing as "AI". It's not AI it's an IF statement for crying out loud :-( But this is the industry we're in, and buzzword-driven headlines and investment are how it goes. Actual proper AI getting some attention makes a pleasant change tbh :-)

I disagree; consider the use of the term "video game AI", which historically at least has just been a bunch of _if_ statements chained together. This is totally valid, it's an example of AI without machine learning.

The thing is that AI is just about the most general term for the type of computing that gives the illusion of intelligence. Machine learning is a more specific region of the space of AI, and generally is made of statistical models that lead to algorithms that can train and modify their behavior based on data. But this includes "mundane" algorithms like k-means clustering or line-fitting. Deep learning (aka neural networks) is yet a more specific subfield of ML.

I think the term AI just has more "sex appeal" because people confuse it with the concept of AGI, which is the holy grail of machine intelligence. But we don't even know if this is achievable, or what technology it will use.

So in terms of conceptual spaces, we can say that AI > ML > DL, and we can say (by definition) that AI > AGI. And it seems very likely that AGI > ML. But it's not known, for instance, whether AGI > DL, ie, we don't know for sure that deep learning/neural networks are sufficient to obtain AGI.

In any case, people should put less weight on the term AI, as it's a pretty low bar. But also yes, the term is way over hyped.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#58

What winds me up is the mis-branding, sometimes deliberate sometimes not (which one is worse?!), of basic computer processing as "AI". It's not AI it's an IF statement for crying out loud :-( But this is the industry we're in, and buzzword-driven headlines and investment are how it goes. Actual proper AI getting some attention makes a pleasant change tbh :-)

I feel like AI-scientists themselves are partially to blame for this. For starters, AI does not 'learn' like a human learns. But still many of the main terms of the field are based on learning: terms like 'learning rate', 'neural networks', or 'deep learning' are implying that there's some kind of being which learns, not just a very complicated decision tree. It's not all the fault of hype marketing people!

> AI-scientists themselves are partially to blame for this

They are not addressing the public or swaying opinion

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#59
I feel like there will be some lucrative opportunities somewhere here to exploit the fallout from this hype. I get the fatigue, but our incomes are basically critically dependent on investor FOMO.

I'd rather we have bitcoin crazes, scaling crazes, nosql crazes and GPT crazes than this industry commoditizes itself to hell and I have to spend the rest of my career gluing AWS cognito to AWS lambdas for $55k / year.

At the same time I'm pretty sure that it will wildly change any industry where creativity is critically important and quality control either isn't that important or can be done by amateurs. There is substance at the core of the hype.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#60
In the last ~15 years AI has been on the hype train but also had moments when it started to die down ( remember chat bots? ).

ChatGPT is the "new" booster shot, it's a hell of a boost and this one might stick. What will not stick is the copious amount of wishful thinking and bullshit the usual suspects are bringing in. ChatGPT is a godsend after crypto went bust and the locusts had to go somewhere else.

I suspect we will have to endure a crypto-craze like environment for a couple years at least..

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