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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by a_bonobo » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 12:17 PM UTC

brianmcc wrote: post #23

What winds me up is the mis-branding, sometimes deliberate sometimes not (which one is worse?!), of basic computer processing as "AI". It's not AI it's an IF statement for crying out loud :-( But this is the industry we're in, and buzzword-driven headlines and investment are how it goes. Actual proper AI getting some attention makes a pleasant change tbh :-)

I feel like AI-scientists themselves are partially to blame for this. For starters, AI does not 'learn' like a human learns. But still many of the main terms of the field are based on learning: terms like 'learning rate', 'neural networks', or 'deep learning' are implying that there's some kind of being which learns, not just a very complicated decision tree. It's not all the fault of hype marketing people!

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by dual_dingo » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 12:18 PM UTC

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model.

The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO.

Github CoPilot? Great, now I have to perform the most mentally taxing part of developing software, namely understanding other people's code (or my own from 6 months ago...) while writing new code. I'm beyond thrilled ...

So, no, I don't have an AI fatigue, because we absolutely have no AI anywhere. But I have a massive bullshit and hype fatigue that is getting worse all the time.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by qsort » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 12:18 PM UTC

krona wrote: post #16

rythmshifter wrote: post #3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gartner_hype_cycle

I think Machine learning already went through the trough of disillusion around 2016-2018 in computer vision and around 2018-2020 for voice assistants. I think we're now past that and people can see that tools like ChatGPT are powerful enough to be applied in many pre existing contexts and industries in unpredictable and inventive ways without huge amounts of manual configuration, which makes it more exciting.

Machine learning is way too generic of a term. Everything from linear regressions to neural models is technically "machine learning".

Language models are right now at the very top of the peak of inflated expectations. It's still too early to tell what the real impact will be, but it won't be even remotely close to what you read on the headlines.

Far more impressive technology (like Wolfram Alpha) has existed for almost a decade now, and it's directly comparable to language models for many applications.

My guess is they will end up being something like Rust. Very cool to look at, little impact on your day-to-day.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by nunodonato » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 12:19 PM UTC

Like I said some days ago, I really wished that the hype would die or dwindle a bit. I'm working on my own AI side-projects, but the amount of BS and misinformation being put out everyday by new "AI experts" is fatiguing, yes.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by roenxi » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 12:19 PM UTC

The hype will die down fairly quickly. But this technology is obviously a huge deal. We've found a practical algorithm to turn more powerful hardware into better results. And hardware was still ramping up at an astonishing rate last time I checked.

It seems more likely that we'll surpass the hype than not in the next few decades. I think people have forgotten how quickly technology can move after the last 20 years of relative stability where more powerful hardware didn't really change what a computer can do.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by nunodonato » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 12:20 PM UTC

dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I can say with a certain degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by indigoabstract » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 12:20 PM UTC

ChatGPT is, of course, a great piece of software, but the huge hype is probably what it will be best remembered for. Also, since currently, AI is the exclusive playground of big corporations, to me it's a bit puzzling how some people can get so excited (and maintain that excitement) over something that they cannot control and have little hope of building it by themselves. I guess some are just more in love with technology, than with other things in life. Because, as everyone is probably well aware by now, more technology is the solution to every problem that ever faced mankind and will finally fix everything. :)

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by crubier » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 12:20 PM UTC

totetsu wrote: post #8

oxfordmale wrote: post #4

Yes, many people are feeling AI fatigue. AI can be overwhelming and many people feel like they are being bombarded with information that they don't understand. People are also concerned about how AI is being used and its potential implications for privacy and security. Sorry, I couldn't help; that is the ChatGPT response to your question. More informatively, AI is clearly at the height of inflated expectations. It wi…

I could tell by the start of the second sentence.

ChatGPT overuse of the word "overwhelming" and a couple other similar words is very characteristic. I think it comes from the "political correctness"/"provide kind answers" prompts it is bombarded with during training

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by qsort » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 12:21 PM UTC

atemerev wrote: post #25

RamblingCTO wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* not yet

Well, eventually either the governments will survive, or crypto will. Governments (as nation states) exist longer than crypto, but they have their share of problems as of lately.

Are you seriously trying to imply that Bitcoin has a greater chance of survival than the concept of a nation state? Is this a real opinion you're holding in your head?

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by timeon » Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 12:21 PM UTC

oxfordmale wrote: post #4

Yes, many people are feeling AI fatigue. AI can be overwhelming and many people feel like they are being bombarded with information that they don't understand. People are also concerned about how AI is being used and its potential implications for privacy and security. Sorry, I couldn't help; that is the ChatGPT response to your question. More informatively, AI is clearly at the height of inflated expectations. It wi…

That first paragraph. It is big thing that machine can generate something like that but in reality it feel like it brings just noise. Not sure why anyone expect this to improve SEO noise.