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Ask HN: Easiest and cheapest full-stack frameworks that you love?

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Re: Ask HN: Easiest and cheapest full-stack frameworks that you love?

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Post by cloogshicer »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #4
cloogshicer wrote: post #3

If you're genuine about your goal (re-examine your own feelings, it's easy to deceive oneself!), your question is going in the wrong direction. The framework doesn't matter. If you want to release a startup quickly, just do the minimum amount of work to test the hypothesis you have about your user. Most of the time that will not involve programming. It could be as simple as setting up a Gform or calling a few friends…

> The framework doesn't matter. If we're talking about ease of use, doesn't that matter? For example, I could write things in React or use a templating engine or even regular HTML/JS. All 3 options have different ease of use and require certain boilerplate to get things done in the same time. For example, you could use Webflow to create a landing page that would probably take you twice the time if you were to do that…

At the beginning (which from your post I assumed that's where you are, sorry if I misunderstood), it doesn't matter since you will (should!) have very few features. Those will be fast to build in almost anything.

Code is a liability. The more code you have, the more you have to maintain, improve, etc.

Now, if you already have a customer base, it's a different story - but then your idea has already been validated.

My main point is, don't obsess over these decisions until then. It's very easy to fall into this trap (I have several times), where you deceive yourself that you're building an MVP, but really you're building this huge complicated thing that nobody really needs.

Michael Seibel (YC CEO) has a great video where he talks about many people (myself included) kinda want to be artists, so they make something that is like art, when really what you need to build is something to be thrown away. https://youtu.be/1hHMwLxN6EM

Re: Ask HN: Easiest and cheapest full-stack frameworks that you love?

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Post by vlasky »

DerWOK wrote: post #10

https://www.meteor.com/ If you’re fine with MongoDB in the backend. Then you get a lot of speed in development and same language in backend and frontend. Plus view live updates on all connected clients as data changes in backend. And hot Code push to clients if new build on server available. I loved it when doing https://www.4minitz.com/ (retired FOSS)

There is also a MySQL integration with Meteor.

I'm the defacto maintainer of this package and the Node.js package mysql-live-select.

These implement pub/sub and reactive queries using the MySQL binary log as the event source:

https://github.com/vlasky/meteor-mysql

https://github.com/vlasky/mysql-live-select

Re: Ask HN: Easiest and cheapest full-stack frameworks that you love?

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

cloogshicer wrote: post #13
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The framework doesn't matter. If we're talking about ease of use, doesn't that matter? For example, I could write things in React or use a templating engine or even regular HTML/JS. All 3 options have different ease of use and require certain boilerplate to get things done in the same time. For example, you could use Webflow to create a landing page that would probably take you twice the time if you were to do that…

At the beginning (which from your post I assumed that's where you are, sorry if I misunderstood), it doesn't matter since you will (should!) have very few features. Those will be fast to build in almost anything. Code is a liability. The more code you have, the more you have to maintain, improve, etc. Now, if you already have a customer base, it's a different story - but then your idea has already been validated. My…

Thank you for the advice!

Re: Ask HN: Easiest and cheapest full-stack frameworks that you love?

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Post by gremlinsinc »

herbst wrote: post #7
alxmng wrote: post #5

It’s 2023 and I still think nothing beats Rails (even with all its flaws).

This! Use one of the many admin panels that directly build on your data structure. Administrate, RailsAdmin, ... As well as devise for Auth, Postgres as scalable cheap DB, and so on. I am not sure if any other framework can make a single person or small team this productive (when it comes to CRUD like operations)

Eh, I've tried rails many times just to ask myself what makes this better than laravel?

I mean laravel new app --jet (jetstream/saas features) gets me:

- authentication/authorization - Including: oauth, tokens, 2fa, etc. - queues w/ choice of redis, memcache, db, etc. - cache w/ choice of redis, memcache, db, etc. - SaaS dashboard w/ teams using something like phoenix's liveview called livewire OR vue + inertia - If you use filamentphp you have the perfect backend dashboard, but without that you still get the consumer saas one with teams, etc.

The only package needed above is filament for the above, and that's to have a resource based admin that's just super easy - try a tutorial it'll take a day what it used to take a week to build. Everything else comes baked into the initial app.

Rails you have to pick a queuing setup, an admin backend, and setup devise, etc. Having auth baked in just makes things super easy.

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