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Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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It's been a while since they stopped innovating. Although Google, Maps, Youtube are of daily use they are monetized exclusively by advertising which is annoying and hated by many. It has been many years since Google has launched an innovative new product. I don't think ChatGPT will gain daily traction after this hype. Anyway we could say that MSFT and AMZN have demostrated more power to innovate with different busine…

>It has been many years since Google has launched an innovative new product. Stadia launched in 2019.

> went offline permanently on January 18, 2023

Lol.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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post #199

Sorry to break it to you folks but if you hated your data being with Google, you are in for a surprise on how atrociously bad Microsoft is at privacy and security. Multiple close friends who have worked at Microsoft tell me that search history data - who is searching what, is basically sitting in systems with ACLs so bad that 20-30K employees have access through transitive membership of groups. To access a customer's…

I don’t hate Google for having my data because they have worse internal controls. The monopolistic dominance is the issue. They have too much data and too much power, and leverage that to swallow other market categories. Today they have a deeply unhealthy dominance over the tech industry. Google could do everything right and still be an existential problem. You say MS has data security issues, okay sure. I’d still ra…

Apple isn't a monopoly yet it has huge power and domnance with safari. Do you avoid Android because it's the most common or Linux since it's got a monopoly on servers?

Google isn't forcing someone to use it. It's monopoly can disappear when something better it's there.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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I grew up using the internet as a child and when Google came out it was way more a blessing than a parasite. The web was hard to navigate and you relied on webpages "befriending" each other and helping you navigate to similar pages. That was real navigation and it had terrible recall. Once google became the Internet's frontend everything was one or two hops away. It was awesome, and I think that it has evolved in a w…

What? Webrings? Don't tell me you forgot Yahoo, Excite, Altavista, Lycos, and all those other search engines existed! Lycos also had hotbot and tripod.com, back when homepages were your internet presence instead of social media. Maybe Google had results that were a bit more relevant and won that competition, but they didn't Change Everything.

Where are they now? Yahoo was good before google, but google did change everything.

It's as if you brought up the first Motorola phone or blackberry and compared it to the iPhone saying it was just ok.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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What things about maps and YouTube’s UI annoy you? I find YouTube quite easy to use, esp the shortcut keys. Recommendation system is another story.

The most infuriating thing with Maps is that if you're looking at directions and have got the viewport where you want it and want to do something there (e.g. look at the description of a restaurant that's near the station you're changing at, or get directions to somewhere along your route), you can't. There's no way to escape from "directions mode" except hitting the back button, which resets your viewport . So you h…

This is weird because the behavior you describe is available on the desktop version of Maps, but not in the mobile app. I can't imagine why...

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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>I also have a uBlock configuration that removes 280 domains from Google Results because they're all auto-generated spam of Stackoverflow answers. Can you describe exactly what you mean? If there is a way to hide specific domains from showing in search results, it would be an incredible boon for me.

That's exactly what it is. See this repo: https://github.com/quenhus/uBlock-Origin-dev-filter In particular look in the dist folder, find your search engine(s) of choice, and then get the blocklist you'd like. Paste into "MyFilters" in uBlock. Bonus: Here's one that entirely blocks Youtube Shorts in your Subscriptions feed: www.youtube.com##ytd-grid-video-renderer:has(#thumbnail[href*=shorts])

Thank you. Will this die with v3 manifest in Chrome? I used a plugin to disable some google results but this is amazing!

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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> Both are driven by a profit motive What do you want a corporation/company/business (of any size) to be driven by?

- Some environmental metrics (could be solved by pricing environmental harm) - Ethical Metrics (could be solved by allowing corporations, directors, boards to face similar punishments to humans committing crime). – Something that measured employee treatment. Profit is such a shitty motive... it's effective, but still shitty.

Profit is ethical in abstract if you're intelligent and can see how reputation is valuable. You will have a hard time getting people to buy your product if people hate you. We're not in the state we're in because of profit motive.

It's the short sightedness that causes the most unethical behavior from the top down. 10-Qs... a man considered changing that timeline to help fix that problem but he was ostracized. Maybe one day la naranja will return.

I would be interested to see what an ethics motive looks like that gets people out of the bed in the morning to do a job they barely care about.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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It is depressing that people dont recognize that Google has invented and perfected a parasitic business model that has destroyed the internet (and much of tech with it) and this episode feels like just another turn of the downward spiral. The article aims to offer a preliminary analysis of whether Microsoft can become a better parasite: Grabbing the content people generate online, paying nothing, and using it deftly…

I grew up using the internet as a child and when Google came out it was way more a blessing than a parasite. The web was hard to navigate and you relied on webpages "befriending" each other and helping you navigate to similar pages. That was real navigation and it had terrible recall. Once google became the Internet's frontend everything was one or two hops away. It was awesome, and I think that it has evolved in a w…

I would have agreed with you in the past. Now, I have to disagree.

>the web was hard to navigate and you relied on webpages "befriending" each other and helping you navigate to similar pages. That was real navigation and it had terrible recall.

This is exactly why internet was decentralized. A network of social connections between small online spaces people congregated in was essential to find what you wanted. It was somewhat of a replication of the old world - where in order to find an answer, you first had to get into relevant circles (eg. a local club, university, etc). You didn't just get an answer to your question, you inevitably had to sift through a lot of other content and learn about new places.

Google cut through all of that. Ideally, you could just get the answer you wanted, and not even see the rest of the site. The first order effect was that everyone's life get better. The second order effect is that it killed the old decentralized web, because random discovery nearly died down.

LLM are only the next step on this, but I don't think they change much. I think it's mostly going to damage reddit. A lot of reddit questions are an attempt to find an answer to something that google is too dumb to find - but llms may be able to.

The defense to this - are chatrooms, like discord. Sometimes I see people complaining that so much information is now 'hidden' on discord. But that's the exact point. Making information hard to get means people are forced to interact with each other. This creates incentives to contribute.

That's the future. Chatrooms may be replaced by voice based vr, hard to say. We already passed the peak of public information dissemination, and are going back to old style "ask at the university", just more decentralized and online.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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post #244

I think that ChatGPT3 does not matter a lot. But a lot of people fed up with Google and will be glad to try something different. It's like when Apple came and eat 15-20% of market of notebooks. Dominance of Microsoft still not ended. Actually I suspect that Yandex search is better - I like how they preview answers for technical questions. Picture search - seems that Google is the worst. Maybe it's time to start searc…

> But a lot of people fed up with Google and will be glad to try something different. Why would they replace Google with another bloated adware search engine then? I used to be one of these people, not going to lie, but Bing is worse than Google when it comes to UX. The results are not as high quality, bloated and really messy UI. I switched to DDG and then Brave Search later on and I can honestly say that Brave Sear…

Now is a good time for newcomers.

At least I hope so.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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> Both are driven by a profit motive What do you want a corporation/company/business (of any size) to be driven by?

- Some environmental metrics (could be solved by pricing environmental harm) - Ethical Metrics (could be solved by allowing corporations, directors, boards to face similar punishments to humans committing crime). – Something that measured employee treatment. Profit is such a shitty motive... it's effective, but still shitty.

The purpose of the government is to legislate in order to align those kinds of goals with profit. Ex. taxes on emissions, fines for human rights abuses etc. This is what Adam Smith meant when he wrote about the invisible hand.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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post #199

Sorry to break it to you folks but if you hated your data being with Google, you are in for a surprise on how atrociously bad Microsoft is at privacy and security. Multiple close friends who have worked at Microsoft tell me that search history data - who is searching what, is basically sitting in systems with ACLs so bad that 20-30K employees have access through transitive membership of groups. To access a customer's…

Both are evil but I agree that Google is less evil than Microsoft. Just like the OP I have first hand info on how atrocious Microsoft’s internal privacy controls are. The later versions of Windows are just ad space for Microsoft to advertise. Azure is the worst of the 3 cloud providers. Horrible developer experience and documentation and reliability. That said, I would still take Satya’s Microsoft over Balmers any da…

> Azure is the worst of the 3 cloud providers. Horrible developer experience and documentation and reliability

Don't forget security! Multiple serious and extremely trivial cross-tenant security exploits only in the past couple of years. AWS and GCP have had none ever, the much smaller OCI has had one.

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