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Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by coredog64 »

mc32 wrote: post #340
tormeh wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of the major three cloud providers, Azure is by far the one whose security bugs I hear most about. Not that this necessarily has much relevance to search, but it doesn't inspire confidence in their culture.

Agreed, but parent poster made fabulous claims based on hearsay. It could be true. But it also might be a motivated competitor trying to distract their rival as well. Related question, if security is so bad, how did they win Project J.E.D.I? (honestly curious)

Cloud security is different, especially for these government contracts. Everything has to be certified to a higher standard and the staff all have to have clearances. A clearance gives you a nice comp boost, so dorking around looking at stuff because you can is a good way to get it yanked.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by netheril96 »

midoridensha wrote: post #356
marcopicentini wrote: post #15

It's been a while since they stopped innovating. Although Google, Maps, Youtube are of daily use they are monetized exclusively by advertising which is annoying and hated by many. It has been many years since Google has launched an innovative new product. I don't think ChatGPT will gain daily traction after this hype. Anyway we could say that MSFT and AMZN have demostrated more power to innovate with different busine…

>It has been many years since Google has launched an innovative new product. I can say the exact same thing about countless other large companies: Facebook, Intel, Microsoft, Boeing, AMD, AT&T, I could go on and on. At some point, launching innovative new products isn't really that important for a company, when many people on the services that company provides.

Google used to be considered different from and better than all the companies you list (except Facebook). Being lumped together with those companies would have been seen as an insult to Google in the past.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by Someone1234 »

tonightstoast wrote: post #359
Someone1234 wrote: post #259

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Google stopped being innovative the second their "20% Time" got gutted: > Employees were encouraged to spend up to twenty-percent of their paid work time pursuing personal projects. The objective of the program was to inspire innovation in participating employees and ultimately increase company potential. For Google's part, Gmail and AdSense both arose out of side projects. In 2013, Google discontinued 20 percent tim…

Wait is the uBlock domain list shareable? I would love to add that to my config as well.

There's a github repo, it contains other blocklists too:

https://github.com/quenhus/uBlock-Origin-dev-filter

In particular look at: dist/google/ and stackoverflow_copycats.txt

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

blarghyblarg wrote: post #351
victor106 wrote: post #341

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Both are evil but I agree that Google is less evil than Microsoft. Just like the OP I have first hand info on how atrocious Microsoft’s internal privacy controls are. The later versions of Windows are just ad space for Microsoft to advertise. Azure is the worst of the 3 cloud providers. Horrible developer experience and documentation and reliability. That said, I would still take Satya’s Microsoft over Balmers any da…

Both are driven by a profit motive, but Google takes some forms of privacy more seriously. Lets not use emotionally driven, ambiguous terms like 'evil' to describe these kinds of things. Google is not, for instance, conspiring to commit genocides, nor is Microsoft planning a coup in an Eastern European nation with the goal of colonizing them to use as indentured technical support.

> Both are driven by a profit motive

What do you want a corporation/company/business (of any size) to be driven by?

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by netheril96 »

mistercow wrote: post #220
bergie wrote: post #172

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And users of the New Bing will certainly verify that the sources say what ChatGPT claims they do?

If they don’t, then the traceability of traditional search results is just as useless.

Traditional search practically forces you to read the sources directly. With ChatGPT, people will just assume its citation is correct due to laziness.

I've seen this with many human published articles on the Internet too. The litany of citations fool everyone into thinking that the article is credible, but when I actually read the citations, they don't support the article at all.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by senttoschool »

no_carrier wrote: post #353
s-xyz wrote: post #271

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“What has Google released since 2013[0]? Stadia?” - GCP Suite (a full integrated and consistent suit, answering so many things) - Google Workspace (trust me when you get to know everything that is possible you will be amazed) - Tensorflow and other Machine Learning applications

Also: - Kubernetes has been incredibly transformative and adopted by all other cloud providers - Golang - the language of choice for a lot of cloud native tools - Flutter - it may not be the incumbent choice but it makes cross platform development a breeze - Google Photos - no other photo platform comes close to it

Perhaps the original author should have specified profit generating products. Go, Kubernetes, Tensorflow are all open source and free. Google Photos makes a profit?

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by Someone1234 »

registeredcorn wrote: post #328
Someone1234 wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google stopped being innovative the second their "20% Time" got gutted: > Employees were encouraged to spend up to twenty-percent of their paid work time pursuing personal projects. The objective of the program was to inspire innovation in participating employees and ultimately increase company potential. For Google's part, Gmail and AdSense both arose out of side projects. In 2013, Google discontinued 20 percent tim…

>I also have a uBlock configuration that removes 280 domains from Google Results because they're all auto-generated spam of Stackoverflow answers. Can you describe exactly what you mean? If there is a way to hide specific domains from showing in search results, it would be an incredible boon for me.

That's exactly what it is. See this repo:

https://github.com/quenhus/uBlock-Origin-dev-filter

In particular look in the dist folder, find your search engine(s) of choice, and then get the blocklist you'd like. Paste into "MyFilters" in uBlock.

Bonus: Here's one that entirely blocks Youtube Shorts in your Subscriptions feed:

     www.youtube.com##ytd-grid-video-renderer:has(#thumbnail[href*=shorts])

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by cypress66 »

captainmarble wrote: post #319
dilap wrote: post #31

Microsoft's integration of ChatGPT with Bing is really bad. No-one wants a busy search page with a side-bar of ChatGPT; what's the point of that? The correct interface for ChatGPT + search is just...ChatGPT. But it can also show you a list of web search results, when it's appropriate. A super-clean interface, that always shows you exactly what you want. That would be a killer feature and represent a real threat to Go…

The best way IMHO is to add another tab next to it similar to image, video search etc.

It is literally like that.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by nr2x »

no_carrier wrote: post #353
s-xyz wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“What has Google released since 2013[0]? Stadia?” - GCP Suite (a full integrated and consistent suit, answering so many things) - Google Workspace (trust me when you get to know everything that is possible you will be amazed) - Tensorflow and other Machine Learning applications

Also: - Kubernetes has been incredibly transformative and adopted by all other cloud providers - Golang - the language of choice for a lot of cloud native tools - Flutter - it may not be the incumbent choice but it makes cross platform development a breeze - Google Photos - no other photo platform comes close to it

Apple photos now offers full user controlled encryption. Google Photos has no such protections and never will. Apple may not be saints, but the fact is there’s one photo service where the photos remain yours, and another where a photo of your kid can get your entire digital life nuked with zero recourse.
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