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Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Perhaps a bad example, since ChatGPT consistently gets the steak temperature right (or at least gives the same values as Google). Internal temperature of about 130-135°F (54-57°C) for medium rare, etc.

“It tells me the right answer” and “I trust it to give me the right answer” are two different propositions.

It's just one data point but it may indicate the commenter is miscalibrated on what ChatGPT answers well and what it doesn't.

It reminds me of when Wikipedia was new and we were told repeatedly that we couldn't trust it (by teachers, articles, etc.). It didn't matter if we could point to studies that found Wikipedia had similar accuracy to other encyclopedias. They objected on the grounds that anyone could edit it and anything on it _could_ be wrong and there's no publisher or paid editors to ensure accuracy.

ChatGPT tends to do well on common questions, where the answer is plastered in hundreds of articles across the internet. The internal cooking temperature of a steak is a great example of this. There are many other types of questions it fails at.

A better example of where you shouldn't trust ChatGPT is asking it the distance between two cities. It'll get it right for a few common pairs of cities (eg London to Paris), but it'll give you a wrong answer for most less common pairs (eg London to Cairo).

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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post #31

Microsoft's integration of ChatGPT with Bing is really bad. No-one wants a busy search page with a side-bar of ChatGPT; what's the point of that? The correct interface for ChatGPT + search is just...ChatGPT. But it can also show you a list of web search results, when it's appropriate. A super-clean interface, that always shows you exactly what you want. That would be a killer feature and represent a real threat to Go…

Completely agree. Heck, even the current 'waiting list' page (bing.com/new) looks so outdated and a mess. I don't know whether it is the font, the colors, the composition or margins.. Bing itself looks like a mess too. Microsoft truly has no taste.

And the spammy "set your default to Bing to get priority access". Ugh. It's still MS.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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post #7

I think it’s interesting to consider why touchscreen mobile phones won out over their predecessors. Touchscreens are the worst interface option. The feedback of feeling a button, or anything made for the job, is better than typing without specific feedback onto a screen. It won out because of you don’t have a set interface it’s bettor. Now for search, chat gpt will likely always be less reliable than a list of result…

> Now for search, chat gbt will probably always be worse than a list of results you can get yourself for authenticity if you cared about truth.

Irony of this article, predicting end of Google, is that articles like this are going to be replaced by these summaries too.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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I think that ChatGPT3 does not matter a lot.

But a lot of people fed up with Google and will be glad to try something different.

It's like when Apple came and eat 15-20% of market of notebooks.

Dominance of Microsoft still not ended.

Actually I suspect that Yandex search is better - I like how they preview answers for technical questions. Picture search - seems that Google is the worst.

Maybe it's time to start search different topics in different engines.

Hm. Actually AI could help to implement such functionality

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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I see this sort of comment a lot, and I honestly don't know what it's talking about. What are people expecting out of Google that it's not delivering? It can only index stuff that's on the Web. Stuff on the Web is, contrary to what is popularly asserted, only a tiny fraction of all human knowledge. I think people are forgetting how bad search was before Google. Google drove Web directories to extinction. Remember Yah…

Just search for "chocolate chip cookie recipe" and show me a single result that isn't a complete trash website. A significant number are nothing more than ad farms that just load infinite ads in IFRAMEs and similar stuff like that.

These two are at the very top of the page. They both are chocolate chip cookie recipes. One has instructional videos. I really don't understand what is wrong with these.

https://www.verybestbaking.com/toll-house/recipes/original-n...

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/10813/best-chocolate-chip-...

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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While it might be fashionable to hate on Google, the question "What did Google bring to my life" seems really odd. I can't believe I have to say this but search, and more importantly good/fast search, is to Google's credit. Typescript and VSCode all have, and will continue to have alternatives, but for a long time, Google was (some may argue it still is) the bleeding edge of search. Anyway, there might be a generatio…

You're making assumptions. I listed facts.

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Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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This is the same Microsoft that had to close down their Twitter AI “Tay” after a single day because it immediately became a “racist asshole” (as per The Verge) in 2016? The same OpenAI ran by Sam Altman, who just last year was part of a crypto biometric scam called “Worldcoin” that attempted to collect biometric data from some of the worlds poorest in exchange for a shitcoin? I’m sure they’ve done their due diligence…

Everyone on the planet can already talk to racists by typing in 4chan.org. In the meantime, I’ve found ChatGPT useful for learning zsh commands.

I’m pleased you have the privilege to just ignore the potential negative outcomes of this technology, that as per the marketing hype is set to become the new way the world interacts with information, primarily owned by two unsavoury entities who have history failing to protect the most vulnerable.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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While it might be fashionable to hate on Google, the question "What did Google bring to my life" seems really odd. I can't believe I have to say this but search, and more importantly good/fast search, is to Google's credit. Typescript and VSCode all have, and will continue to have alternatives, but for a long time, Google was (some may argue it still is) the bleeding edge of search. Anyway, there might be a generatio…

You're making assumptions. I listed facts.

So you think that Google doesn't do fast search? OK.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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You're making assumptions. I listed facts.

Yeah, I'm gonna need to see some citation on how Typescript and VSCode improved life for humanity. Break out some of them facts you're talking about.

I specify "my life", not other's life, and it's a fact. Why bother then (i'm curious)?

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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post #199

Sorry to break it to you folks but if you hated your data being with Google, you are in for a surprise on how atrociously bad Microsoft is at privacy and security. Multiple close friends who have worked at Microsoft tell me that search history data - who is searching what, is basically sitting in systems with ACLs so bad that 20-30K employees have access through transitive membership of groups. To access a customer's…

I wouldn't be extraordinarily surprised if this is the case, but I do not expect it to be as lax as you suggest and given how it's presented to us it reads like someone trying to get people to not look at something. If you have things you can present as evidence that would carry water for your argument, otherwise it's random inflammatory claim on in the internet.

And I agree, Google does take security more seriously than most places.

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