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Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by switchbak »

syzarian wrote: post #30
version_five wrote: post #23

This is a joke. I don't know about the other broadcasters, but Canada's CBC is the propaganda organ of the liberal party and only allows an ultra-narrow ideological viewpoint. This will be the opposite of inclusive, it will just be a woke echo chamber.

What you say here is what someone who has extreme or fringe political views would say. I don’t know if you do have such views but it might be worth considering what it means or how it comes across to others to say things such people say. It’s hard to believe they only allow an ultra narrow viewpoint. It’s not like the liberal party is always the one in power in Canada.

What you're saying was true of the CBC from 8ish years ago, but the modern CBC is an entirely different animal.

It really is embarrassingly partisan, and increasingly out of touch with the absolute vast majority of Canadians.

This is true for their television programming, but moreso for their radio side. Often third rate podcasts and YouTube channels will bring in more views than their flagship shows. It's really only kept afloat by increasingly large funding by the federal government, with the associated conflicts of interest that brings.

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Post by switchbak »

syzarian wrote: post #38
vorpalhex wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CBC is well noted for how extreme of a bias it has, especially compared to other public broadcasters such as BBC or PBS. Most public broadcasters lean a bit left but are somewhere in the median. CBC is not. Being a public broadcaster does not exempt you from criticism.

Definitely doesn’t exempt one from scrutiny or criticism. But I find it hard to believe that they only allow an ultra narrow viewpoint. I don’t watch television news so I realize I could be completely wrong.

I've listened to CBC for decades, and as of the last few years you simply will not hear a conservative viewpoint expressed in good faith. And increasingly you won't even hear moderate left views.

I'm not conservative myself, but I get very uncomfortable when a large part of our population is treated like their views are not worth hearing.

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Post by jstanley »

syzarian wrote: post #30
version_five wrote: post #23

This is a joke. I don't know about the other broadcasters, but Canada's CBC is the propaganda organ of the liberal party and only allows an ultra-narrow ideological viewpoint. This will be the opposite of inclusive, it will just be a woke echo chamber.

What you say here is what someone who has extreme or fringe political views would say. I don’t know if you do have such views but it might be worth considering what it means or how it comes across to others to say things such people say. It’s hard to believe they only allow an ultra narrow viewpoint. It’s not like the liberal party is always the one in power in Canada.

What you say here implies that you think extreme or fringe political views are somehow "bad".

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Post by snowpid »

nicbou wrote: post #5
quirk wrote: post #2

>Public broadcasters* want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator” * Government broadcasters

ZDF is not a government broadcaster. It's paid for by the TV tax, which is also not managed by the German government.

it is still enforced by the state, you cant get rid of it. So it is basically govermental one.

Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by kneebonian »

logicalmonster wrote: post #28

> free from harassment or bullying Hope springs eternal, but color me skeptical that any speech that is inconvenient to those with authority doesn't instantly get labelled as cyberbullying and shut down. The only way to guarantee freedom of speech is to acknowledge that some people are going to get their knickers in a twist when they see some of the comments, and there's nothing that can be done about that.

That's one thing I just don't get.

When I started on the internet there were 3 rules that were drilled into my head.

1. Don't believe everything or anything you see on the internet.

2. Don't divulge any personal information on the internet

3. Don't take anything on the internet seriously.

It seems like those three rules solve most of the problems we have on the internet. I've also noticed most of the issues and problems associated with the internet came about after people started breaking rule number 2.

Maybe the solution is instead of trying to ban anonymous internet usage we instead ban identified internet usage.

Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by snowpid »

What a waste of public money. It tells a lot that they dont try just creating a mastodon instance but that would too cheap. Public media in Germany also has a very strong left bias. (see https://www.medienpolitik.net/2021/02/das-herz-des-journalis... )

(für die Deutschen auf HN: Hier ein Podcast https://www.welt.de/kultur/medien/article228196819/Podcast-W... wo der Autor seine Thesen noch einmal genauer erläutert. )

Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by everybodyknows »

skipkey wrote: post #21
quink wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it isn't. It means that the government doesn't control the funding (or lack of funding) for a public broadcaster. That's an important part of their independence. Also, it's not really a tax, it's a levy or fee.

What happens if someone doesn’t pay the fee?

> Some people went to jail because they refused to pay.

https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/gez-rundfunkbeitrag

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Post by danaris »

jstanley wrote: post #43
syzarian wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you say here is what someone who has extreme or fringe political views would say. I don’t know if you do have such views but it might be worth considering what it means or how it comes across to others to say things such people say. It’s hard to believe they only allow an ultra narrow viewpoint. It’s not like the liberal party is always the one in power in Canada.

What you say here implies that you think extreme or fringe political views are somehow "bad".

No; it merely indicates that someone who holds such views may not be the most impartial judge of the impartiality of another party.

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Post by pantalaimon »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #16
nicbou wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an explainer I wrote for immigrants: https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/gez-rundfunkbeitrag If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Perhaps I need to make improvements to the text. Sometimes you've been around for so long that you forget what confuses people.

Judging by that link I guess they changed it to everyone pays instead of just those with TVs? When I lived in Berlin twenty years ago, I remember TV tax enforcers would go door to door to try to find people with TVs without paying the tax. The advice I was given by Berliners was basically never to talk to random strangers coming to the door...not surprised they would change the system.

Yes they changed it because they now also stream their program on the internet (well, parts of it…) so you don't need a TV anymore to receive it.

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Post by pantalaimon »

uniqueuid wrote: post #10
quirk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh that's interesting. I just assumed. Sorry! So who collects the tax?

nicbou's link has details on the how, but here's a direct answer to the why: The money is not a tax because it's not the government that collects it, and the government cannot decide how much it should be. Instead, there are institutions that have been granted powers to levy their own fees and self-govern to a large degree. Accountability is established through an oversight board that includes representatives from ci…

That accountability is more of a joke though. It's a very self-serving system and the people on top are granting themselves more lavish salaries than what the chancellor gets.
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