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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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He has the code name of the operation and a ton of alleged operational details, attributed to his sources in the Intel community.

I, too, can make up a code name and operational details. Still no evidence.

As someone else noted in another thread, Hersh's reputation and the source are absolutely evidence. What he hasn't provided is hard proof for the claims.

I can't find any proof whatsoever as to who actually did it from the western authorities claiming to investigate it either though. In fact, there's been little to no news or updates at all since the incident.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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If that's the case, then it's especially weird to me why the usual conventions on highly charge political stories wouldn't apply.

This is not in the same universe as say a piece on Trump’s relationship with Stormy Daniels or an article on Biden Hunter’s laptop. The explosion had very real ramifications for the European continent outside the Western political context of the war.

Even more reason to ask for strong evidence to back up the claim that it absolutely was the US.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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All: Whether he is right or not or one likes him or not, Hersh reporting on this counts as significant new information ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... ), so I've turned off the flags on this submission. If you're going to comment in this thread, please make sure you're up on the site guidlelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ) and note this one: " Comments should…

I don't understand why the submitted title contains a question mark.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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I don’t have a strong opinion about who blew up Nord Stream.

I do believe one thing: with US AWACS and other assets, and in that part of the world, I believe that the US government (and perhaps other governments, like Germany) know who did it. There a many reasons why they would not share information, such as an ally could have done it. Or, of course, Russia may have done it.

I am glad this story is posted on HN because I like getting many different opinions in one place.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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All: Whether he is right or not or one likes him or not, Hersh reporting on this counts as significant new information ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... ), so I've turned off the flags on this submission. If you're going to comment in this thread, please make sure you're up on the site guidlelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ) and note this one: " Comments should…

If anyone else had written this, would it be significant? Wouldn't it just be written off as a conspiracy theory that provides little to no evidence for its claims? If the only thing that gets this on HN is Seymour Hersh's reputation (which has lately become somewhat questionable) then you might want to reconsider. Plus, the quality of the comments has not been very good so far.

Hersh also tried to minimize the Skripal novichok poisoning story, didn't he?

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Dan I’ve emailed you privately but I simply don’t think this is appropriate to keep on HN given the framing of the article as fact and the current evidence provided. Hearsay is not new evidence. Give us a recording, a photo, anything. As written this is a compelling fiction presented as fact which is dishonest to the community. Especially considering these articles are simply clicked and read more often than debated,…

I appreciate having the honesty to publicly share your desire to unilaterally restrict content, not just for yourself, but for all of HN’s audience. Sadly I don’t think your request is the morally good action you presume it to be.

> Sadly I don’t think your request is the morally good action you presume it to be.

Why do you believe that it's desirable to push at best unfounded assumptions and at worse questionable propaganda?

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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So, let me get this straight.

U.S. is worried Russia will use the pipeline that's supplying Europe with gas as a bargaining chip, and blackmail them. Threatening with higher prices, or switching it off.

Which makes zero sense, why blow up your own cash cow?

So the U.S. come in and blow it up. Causing sky high prices across Europe, poor families and elderly to choose to either freeze to death, or starve. Causing chaos for potentially years. Possibly more damage than Russia could ever have done.

Makes sense, well done. Fuk yeaaah, America!!!

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I'll read the article and reconsider. I haven't had time to even look at it yet. The moderation call here isn't based on agreeing, disagreeing, liking, or disliking. It just seems like an obvious interesting event, that's all. Edit: Ok, I've read the first half and looked over the second half, and I think the moderation call was the correct one. Not saying this to pile on; I just wanted to report back.

So you haven’t read the article but are choosing to interfere with the ranking. Why ?

I've answered that question repeatedly in this thread already. If you read those comments and have a question I haven't addressed, I'd like to know what it is.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34713787

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34713529

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34712496

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Dan I’ve emailed you privately but I simply don’t think this is appropriate to keep on HN given the framing of the article as fact and the current evidence provided. Hearsay is not new evidence. Give us a recording, a photo, anything. As written this is a compelling fiction presented as fact which is dishonest to the community. Especially considering these articles are simply clicked and read more often than debated,…

I appreciate having the honesty to publicly share your desire to unilaterally restrict content, not just for yourself, but for all of HN’s audience. Sadly I don’t think your request is the morally good action you presume it to be.

No moral objection to the content, only ethical. I don’t care what beliefs you have, I simply think it’s irresponsible to parrot — or provide a platform for parroting — unsubstantiated claims. The beauty of Hacker News, and my enjoyment of it, is that it’s moderated and I don’t often see content like this.

I honestly panicked reading this! At first I was under the impression that this was breaking news. And if true it has major implications. But that’s a really big if. It wasn’t until I read the article that it became obvious I was being manipulated to believe a narrative without evidence. The most disingenuous part of the article is that it starts with a bold claim presented as truth, and then immediately includes two sentences about the White House denying the claim before jumping into thousands of words of hearsay and a story presented as fact. As if to say, “what you’re about to read is a story, and you should know that, but you have to be smart enough to parse between the lines to see that — and I’m avoiding stating it directly so that I can get away with writing the story the way I want to write it on the chance it’s true.”

Substantiate the claims and I’ll rescind criticism. I like to believe I’m a thoughtful and relatively apolitical person, I just have a visceral reaction to being manipulated in this way (bold claim, no evidence) and I’d hope other people share the same standards.

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