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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by mytailorisrich »

erentz wrote: post #102
mytailorisrich wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both NS 1 and NS 2 were sabotaged. The US have been hostile for a long time to Germany getting closer to Russia. The war in Ukraine has just been a convenient event to push their strategic agenda forward and so far, irrespective of those pipelines, it has been very good for the US.

Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 are not just two pipelines. It's four total. The two pipelines of Nord Stream 1 were demolished. But only one of the pipelines of Nord Stream 2 was demolished, the second was untouched. https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-s...

I'm not sure how 3 out of 4 instead 4 out of 4 (which we don't know why, might have failed, might not have been possible) says anything about who might have done it.

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Post by The_Colonel »

sschueller wrote: post #106
The_Colonel wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised if Germany OKayed it (IF USA did it). Germany returning to Nord Stream would be a disaster for everybody (including Germany). Paradoxically, removing Nord Stream from the consideration helped Germany and its political situation. I always thought it's more likely that somebody from the West did it, since from my perspective it helped West and not Russia. But what's confusing me is the rather mu…

Even if Germany OKayd it. 51% of it belongs the Swiss Holding company. You can't just go blow up some private companies assets and get away with it.

Russia does that every day on a mass scale and so far is getting away with it, unfortunately.

If US is truly behind it, the Swiss company can sue US (and perhaps Germany) and I believe they would have a chance. Certainly better chance than Ukrainians have with reparations from Russia.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by throwbadubadu »

eternalban wrote: post #10
zqrtay wrote: post #6

I agree that sources should be given. But this is the name of a famous journalist, so instead of flagging the article, perhaps the Substack people could weigh in: a) Is this the real Seymour Hersh? b) If so, perhaps people should ask him for sources.

You won’t need a source once the news comes out. This little text bomb thrown by CIA at the Executive can only mean that the Swedes have found conclusive evidence. https://www.rferl.org/a/nord-stream-sabotage-investigation-r... Please note that Radio Free Europe is run by CIA.

Wait, what.. found enough evidence? Wasn't the Swede's (aka as most US obliging, as not only profoundly shown e.g. in the Assange case) reaction after they were first to the site and "removed" all the evidence already sign enough of that, or even being accomplice?

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keithwhor wrote: post #121

An unsubstantiated story that’s presented as if it’s fact doesn’t really belong on Hacker News. The fact the submission has to be edited to include a question mark when the source material does not is an implicit admission of such by the moderation team. Why it hasn’t been removed I have no idea.

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Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by LarryMullins »

hef19898 wrote: post #117
torstenvl wrote: post #71

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Dan, I respectfully ask you to reconsider. This is a poorly-sourced speculative piece of propaganda and clearly goes against site guidelines. You repeat, above, that HN is not for nationalist flamewar, and requires substance. But this post is nationalist flamewar and isn't substantive. Allowing it while shutting down similar content from the opposite perspective is... unsettling.

Man, the aithor (no idea who that is...) should write a spy novel around this. As a fictional setting it would be great! As anything else, not so much. Heck, the Baltic states, along with Poland and the Scandinavian countries, have some of the best naval divers and EODs on the planet, virtue of having the priviledge of cleaning two world wars worth of mines, bombs and torpedoes from the Baltic sea... This piece shoul…

> Man, the author (no idea who that is...)

Seymour Hersh, famous for his coverage of the My Lai massacre, Project Azorian, and more. You probably should know him.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #69
mytailorisrich wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at all the players, their interests, and their capabilities, I think the most logical conclusion is that the US likely did it. Of course this is not evidence but this the sort of operation where success means no evidence (at least no evidence available to the public at large as it is possible and, one might hope, likely that neighbouring countries know).

Russia has blown up their own pipelines at least twice before. Surely it's equally possible that Russia did it?

This is the second time in the comments here that I've seen this claim. I don't remember any such events, so could you point me to what you're referring to?

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #34

All: Whether he is right or not or one likes him or not, Hersh reporting on this counts as significant new information ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... ), so I've turned off the flags on this submission. If you're going to comment in this thread, please make sure you're up on the site guidlelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ) and note this one: " Comments should…

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Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by erentz »

rfoo wrote: post #119
erentz wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 are not just two pipelines. It's four total. The two pipelines of Nord Stream 1 were demolished. But only one of the pipelines of Nord Stream 2 was demolished, the second was untouched. https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-s...

Without going meta, how about ... the bomb just didn't work?

For an elaborate operation like this as described in Hersh's story, would you rig just one? Or would you have multiple redundancies? Is it likely that all of the redundancies failed on the same pipeline, that is also the new pipeline?

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Post by hef19898 »

vanviegen wrote: post #124
mmastrac wrote: post #97

It's a great story, but it's all unsourced and could be a decent Tom Clancy story at best. You could probably write a similar one with Russia or German agents as the key players and be just as convincing. The only anchor in reality appears to be Biden suggesting that they knew how to take it out which seems like a pretty weak place to build a large story. What I find particularly odd is that this entire thing appears…

> What I find particularly odd is that this entire thing appears to be based on a single, unnamed source "with direct knowledge of the operational planning". Why is that weird? Assuming this is true, there would be rather many people with such knowledge. One of them may feel the need to talk. Would you expect such a source to be named? Also, I find it a lot easier to imagine why the US would want to do this, than why…

You can easily imagine any of the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine (with some local help) or even Finland, Swede or Norway doing the deed.

Or, since the pipelines are well known and not difficult to reach, basically everyone with access to explosives, a boat a divers with explosives skills. None of which is particularly hard to come by.

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