“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

Post by bluecalm » Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 6:51 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #13

mytailorisrich wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at all the players, their interests, and their capabilities, I think the most logical conclusion is that the US likely did it. Of course this is not evidence but this the sort of operation where success means no evidence (at least no evidence available to the public at large as it is possible and, one might hope, likely that neighbouring countries know).

> If you look at all the players, their interests, and their capabilities, I think the most logical conclusion is that the US likely did it. I disagree. The most logical explanation is tha Russia did it as a capacity demonstration and threat against Baltic Pipe to pressure contries in the region regarding Ukraine, but that, like all their threats against the West over Ukraine policy so far, the threat was hollow.

Post by jessaustin » Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 6:52 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #40

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where is the evidence ?

Post by miguelazo » Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 6:53 PM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #48

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #40

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where is the evidence ?

The blog post is mostly a sea of text with no real citations and loose quotes. The author, though a famed journalist for his breaking of a story 50 years ago, has also made claims recently to defend dictators such as Assad; even going so far as to claim the US was going to fake Bin Laden's dead by dragging his body back to Afghanistan from Pakistan to pretend like he died in a missile strike. His reasoning for this?…

Post by isoprophlex » Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 6:54 PM UTC

The_Colonel wrote: post #54

sschueller wrote: post #36

Usually destroying 40% of a countries energy resource is considered an act of war but I guess if it's your ally that also spies on your top officials it's OK. /s

I wouldn't be surprised if Germany OKayed it (IF USA did it). Germany returning to Nord Stream would be a disaster for everybody (including Germany). Paradoxically, removing Nord Stream from the consideration helped Germany and its political situation. I always thought it's more likely that somebody from the West did it, since from my perspective it helped West and not Russia. But what's confusing me is the rather mu…

Post by cactusplant7374 » Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 6:54 PM UTC

mytailorisrich wrote: post #9

syzarian wrote: post #2

Seymour doesn’t provide any proof or any evidence. It’s argument by assertion. What he writes is plausible but without any sources or other corroborating evidence. I think it more believable that Seymour has been paid to write this by a Russian aligned entity. I don’t know the truth of the matter and Seymour could be right. We just can’t tell from the evidence provided.

If you look at all the players, their interests, and their capabilities, I think the most logical conclusion is that the US likely did it. Of course this is not evidence but this the sort of operation where success means no evidence (at least no evidence available to the public at large as it is possible and, one might hope, likely that neighbouring countries know).