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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by [deleted] »

michaelt wrote: post #304
alphanullmeric wrote: post #146

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Curiously, all the people that support such censorship in western countries are actually against it in this instance. Almost like whether or not they choose to support a policy depends not on what it does but instead on who it’s being done to.

> Almost like whether or not they choose to support a policy depends not on what it does but instead on who it’s being done to. Well, or they have a more nuanced view than "censorship no" or "censorship yes" For example, I support laws preventing stores from selling 3 watt LED bulbs in packages claiming they're 5 watt LED bulbs; or selling generic LED bulbs in packages claiming they're Phillips bulbs. Even though the…

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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by celsoazevedo »

eatsyourtacos wrote: post #288
xg15 wrote: post #261

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I think the point is that if anyone of any significance was using Mastodon in this context like they are Twitter, they would just block that too. So it's not as if Mastodon offers anything different/better in this case.

I think it's harder to block Mastodon because there are many instances. You can block the main ones, but people can still use smaller ones to access content from all Mastodon instances.

Twitter has one domain and probably a known IP range. Mastodon has (at least) hundreds of domains and IPs.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by andybak »

atlantic wrote: post #301
andybak wrote: post #189

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Except you can start your own subreddit and choose your own moderation policies. The inaccurately named /r/conservative has a lot of traffic and there are many more.

Being able to start a subreddit is meaningless, when right-leaning subreddits are systematically shut down, or restricted to the point of becoming inoperative, as soon as they pass a certain threshold popularity.

Citation needed

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by vkou »

alphanullmeric wrote: post #317
michaelt wrote: post #304

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> Almost like whether or not they choose to support a policy depends not on what it does but instead on who it’s being done to. Well, or they have a more nuanced view than "censorship no" or "censorship yes" For example, I support laws preventing stores from selling 3 watt LED bulbs in packages claiming they're 5 watt LED bulbs; or selling generic LED bulbs in packages claiming they're Phillips bulbs. Even though the…

Your scenario is not equivalent. A buyer and seller shake on an implicit contract when a purchase is made, and enforcement of a contract you agreed to is not censorship. A more accurate comparison would be me posting a picture of a 3 watt bulb online, claiming it is a 5 watt bulb. I don’t believe that should be illegal, and you would if you were consistent.

No, his scenario is not equivalent, but here's a few more:

"Hello, this is just a reminder that your voting station will be open between 5 pm and 9 pm in (somewhere where it's not actually located), please remember to vote!"

"Hello, if you would like a free ride to your voting station, please text us 'YES', and wait at (location) between X and Y pm (Nobody will show up)."

"Hello, we have a great offer for auto insurance, blah, blah, blah."

"Hello, just a reminder, millions of trustworthy people believe that was responsible for . This isn't slander, because we are just strongly implying it in this robocall. Also, they live at XY address, and won't someone rid is of this meddlesome priest?"

"Hello, all the doctors are lying to you, buy our snake oil wellness supplements, instead. They are supplements, not drugs, we don't answer to the FDA."

"Hello, let's go down to sixth and Broadway next Tuesday, and make some noise/put the fear of God into "

" is burning this country's forests down using space lasers."

"Hello, please be aware that it's illegal to discuss your salary with your coworkers."

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by throwaway53523 »

geysersam wrote: post #260
Uehreka wrote: post #169

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I see your “The solution to bad speech is more speech” and raise you a “A lie can spread around the world before the truth can get its pants on”. Call or fold?

Call. It's not about who's fastest, it's about who stays in the end. Despite us humans being a lying, cheating bunch, knowledge and access to education continues to grow all over the world. That's certainly not thanks to censorship!

>It's not about who's fastest, it's about who stays in the end.

This is contradictory. Not every reader is going to "stay in the end" to learn what's really true. The past few years have given plenty of evidence for that.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by [deleted] »

geysersam wrote: post #260
Uehreka wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see your “The solution to bad speech is more speech” and raise you a “A lie can spread around the world before the truth can get its pants on”. Call or fold?

Call. It's not about who's fastest, it's about who stays in the end. Despite us humans being a lying, cheating bunch, knowledge and access to education continues to grow all over the world. That's certainly not thanks to censorship!

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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by netsharc »

ravel-bar-foo wrote: post #103
MonkeyClub wrote: post #8

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Things might get even hairier given the elections and the popularity drop due to both politics and the earthquake. It’s possible that a state of emergency on account of the earthquake will postpone the elections.

In other countries the population will unite after natural disasters, and leadership is usually given credit for the response as long as they continue support for local response efforts set up in the immediate aftermath. Why would popularity of the leader drop so quickly due to an earthquake? It's been what 36 hours. At this point almost all committed resources will still be highly local...

Well, either Erdogan knows he's deeply unpopular, so he/his lackeys has to censor all the bad news and criticism so he/they can look a bit better, or he's afraid he's deeply unpopular, which means a bit of self-awareness of what a raging asshole dictator but useless leader he is... Fun times!

A leader that actually cares but is overwhelmed would probably not be afraid of admitting that, s/he could rally the population together to overcome the tragedy despite their lack of resources. I think Dubya managed to convey this with 9/11, no one really knew how bad decisions by his administration lead to the threat being unnoticed. Meanwhile with Erdogan, he's been the boss for many years, the public probably thinks: The government's not able to rescue people effectively? Well, that's because it's been a kleptocracy for a long time.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by smoldesu »

wmeredith wrote: post #137
m0guz wrote: post #50

Insane. Developers are trying to make the best use of Twitter. * https://huggingface.co/deprem-ml * https://deprem.io * https://deprem.basarsoft.com.tr * https://go.ahb.app/guvenliharita * https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1QpICWDVpd3eIScSvaj... * https://depremenkaz.xyz Almost all the info listed on these websites coming from twitter.

This is a tragedy, and it's great that people are trying to help in any way they can. However, building stuff on Twitter's platform seems like utter folly these days.

Truthfully it was a bad idea when Jack Dorsey owned it too - now that Musk is in charge, it's a no-brainer.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by alphanullmeric »

NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #344
alphanullmeric wrote: post #317

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Your scenario is not equivalent. A buyer and seller shake on an implicit contract when a purchase is made, and enforcement of a contract you agreed to is not censorship. A more accurate comparison would be me posting a picture of a 3 watt bulb online, claiming it is a 5 watt bulb. I don’t believe that should be illegal, and you would if you were consistent.

You've missed the point. It's not desirable to have listings which contain false advertising; the remedy for that is to restrict false advertising, not make every buyer chase the seller in a contract dispute after the fact. That would be insanity.

Nope, your comparison is just not equivalent. A sale is a transfer of property. We enforce the implicit contract that goes along with that. The buyer will pay, the seller will deliver, the product is accurate, etc. This discussion is about speech, for which no such contract exists. If you disagree, then you should have no problem arresting people for showing off a 3 watt bulb they claim to be 5 watts.
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