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Post by mc32 »

freejazz wrote: post #303
mc32 wrote: post #286

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Framing it as designed to ensure the dominance of one sex and one "race" is not doing the argument any favors. If that is what they set out to do, they did a poor job at it (even the Swiss and Kuwaitis suppressed their women "better") in addition, today, there exists slavery to this day in Chad and DRC, despite it being technically illegal. That argument is further eroded by claiming it's imperfect in enabling a prom…

Look, I'm not trying to get into a whole culture war thing, but you do realize that the constitution literally had to be amended to give non-whites and women the right to vote? It seems like the constitution did a perfectly good job at doing that.

No disagreement there. What I disagree with is the insinuation that the right to free speech is tainted and thus somehow unjust because the constitution had to be amended. It's a devilish argument.

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Post by carrja99 »

sgjohnson wrote: post #295
LarryMullins wrote: post #213

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> The people who are recognisable on social media posts from the protests have all been arrested by now. They waited just long enough to make people forget about it before they picked them up one by one. Same deal as with that Bundy/Overpass standoff between militia types and the Feds a few years ago. The Feds showed up, saw the number of men with rifles, turned around and went home. Mission accomplished right? The m…

But charges against Bundy were dropped, weren’t they? And those arrests didn’t really amount to anything, did they? So yes, I’d say mission accomplished.

Didn’t he even run for governor in his state?

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Post by foronetimeonly1 »

binanc wrote: post #144
foronetimeonly1 wrote: post #107

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I see plenty of racists calling for ethnic segregation in person, but online too? You sir, take the ridiculous prize today.

Since when is saying countries should have their own social media platforms "racist"? You think it was "racist" for europe to develop airbus? You think a nation should rely on a foreign power for their social media needs? You think a nation should let a foreign power control their electricity? Saying nations should empower themselves isn't "racism". It's the opposite of racism.

rolls eyes

Bro, come back to me when you're 100% "local". Every last element of your computing environment and lifestyle is manufactured, developed, coded, and maintained locally.

Then I'll never have to hear from you again.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by foronetimeonly1 »

binanc wrote: post #144
foronetimeonly1 wrote: post #107

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I see plenty of racists calling for ethnic segregation in person, but online too? You sir, take the ridiculous prize today.

Since when is saying countries should have their own social media platforms "racist"? You think it was "racist" for europe to develop airbus? You think a nation should rely on a foreign power for their social media needs? You think a nation should let a foreign power control their electricity? Saying nations should empower themselves isn't "racism". It's the opposite of racism.

http://bbcturkiye.com

By the way, there is such a thing as BBC in Turkiye.

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Post by buildsjets »

blackoil wrote: post #143
throwawayccp wrote: post #93

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This is why I stopped buying anything that comes form China. No more funding CCP.

If that's your hill, add Turkey, India and Russia to the list. Brazil we'll know in few days.

I cannot think of any product that I have purchased in the past 50 years that was made in Turkey or India. I once bought a replacement carburetor for a woodchipper, and it was made in Russia, but that's all I've seen from there. These are not exactly manufacturing and exporting powerhouses, it's pretty trivial to avoid them if you want to, compared to China.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

michaelt wrote: post #304
alphanullmeric wrote: post #146

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Curiously, all the people that support such censorship in western countries are actually against it in this instance. Almost like whether or not they choose to support a policy depends not on what it does but instead on who it’s being done to.

> Almost like whether or not they choose to support a policy depends not on what it does but instead on who it’s being done to. Well, or they have a more nuanced view than "censorship no" or "censorship yes" For example, I support laws preventing stores from selling 3 watt LED bulbs in packages claiming they're 5 watt LED bulbs; or selling generic LED bulbs in packages claiming they're Phillips bulbs. Even though the…

Exactly this. Censorship should be a nuanced topic if anyone gives it any serious thought. Not all censorship is at the same level, and there is obviously a difference between shutting down Twitter and not letting folks criticize the government and, say, not telling folks misinformation that can lead to another's harm or death (fake cures, for example).

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Post by alphanullmeric »

michaelt wrote: post #304
alphanullmeric wrote: post #146

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Curiously, all the people that support such censorship in western countries are actually against it in this instance. Almost like whether or not they choose to support a policy depends not on what it does but instead on who it’s being done to.

> Almost like whether or not they choose to support a policy depends not on what it does but instead on who it’s being done to. Well, or they have a more nuanced view than "censorship no" or "censorship yes" For example, I support laws preventing stores from selling 3 watt LED bulbs in packages claiming they're 5 watt LED bulbs; or selling generic LED bulbs in packages claiming they're Phillips bulbs. Even though the…

Your scenario is not equivalent. A buyer and seller shake on an implicit contract when a purchase is made, and enforcement of a contract you agreed to is not censorship. A more accurate comparison would be me posting a picture of a 3 watt bulb online, claiming it is a 5 watt bulb. I don’t believe that should be illegal, and you would if you were consistent.

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Post by Haga »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #101
throwawayccp wrote: post #93

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This is why I stopped buying anything that comes form China. No more funding CCP.

I agree with funding cuts to the CCP, but there's an argument to be made that de-globalisation is a sure fire way to global conflict.. Mutual interests tend to keep things civilised

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Post by slt2021 »

ravel-bar-foo wrote: post #103
MonkeyClub wrote: post #8

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Things might get even hairier given the elections and the popularity drop due to both politics and the earthquake. It’s possible that a state of emergency on account of the earthquake will postpone the elections.

In other countries the population will unite after natural disasters, and leadership is usually given credit for the response as long as they continue support for local response efforts set up in the immediate aftermath. Why would popularity of the leader drop so quickly due to an earthquake? It's been what 36 hours. At this point almost all committed resources will still be highly local...

because Erdogan's relatives were heavily involved in construction industry and these flopped buildings are result of Erdogan's family dealings

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Post by mrtksn »

madaxe_again wrote: post #309
mrtksn wrote: post #253

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They are very quick in spending the money and don't do long term project, built a solid reputation over the years and it's founder is a Turkish Rocks star who is politically not very pronounced.

That’s a good strategy, and good to know, thank you. I worked with an orphanage in Kyrgyzstan who had a policy of ensuring their bank account was empty at the end of every day, and it worked for them. I’ve made a donation - I hope it ends up helping someone who needs it.

thanks a lot!
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