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The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Having exited my teen years just before the smartphones became ubiquitous in the US, I got the opportunity to watch externally how social media and other similar systems effected the day-to-day of my younger siblings through their teen years. It was not positive. Maybe someone younger can attest to my observations: - more localized isolation as kids spent a higher % of their attention in internet communities - less c…

The always online I think is a big issue, because now if you're not invited to things or not popular it's very in your face with livestreams that your friends or schoolmates are all having fun together at that exact moment without you.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Having exited my teen years just before the smartphones became ubiquitous in the US, I got the opportunity to watch externally how social media and other similar systems effected the day-to-day of my younger siblings through their teen years. It was not positive. Maybe someone younger can attest to my observations: - more localized isolation as kids spent a higher % of their attention in internet communities - less c…

An additional one I noticed with my female cousins was that a lot of fun was sucked out of high school girls' social expression/reconnaissance.

On the recon side, gossiping is a fun bonding activity, but scrolling through snaps/reels is relative drudgery.

On the performance side, "be pretty and vivacious at fun social events" is no longer sufficient without obsessively managing your profile's brand. This doesn't only include posing for, curating, and editing photos, but a bunch of arcane rules about tagging etiquette, who's included in your photos, etc.

This is all from the horse's mouth, with a little bit of editorializing. The social environment of an in-crowd high school girl has always been extremely intense, but these tools hage made the process simultaneously more work and less fun, to hear my cousins tell it.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Having exited my teen years just before the smartphones became ubiquitous in the US, I got the opportunity to watch externally how social media and other similar systems effected the day-to-day of my younger siblings through their teen years. It was not positive. Maybe someone younger can attest to my observations: - more localized isolation as kids spent a higher % of their attention in internet communities - less c…

> less cultural cohesion due to hyper diversity in memes resulting in fewer shared experiences

People being different is bad?

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The increase in suicide rates for both genders (but especially females) are astounding. I really don't believe that any changes in treatment have been so radical as to cause this to manifest the way it has.

Tell someone with an issue with their physical condition that it is because of diet and lack of exercise and many would change habits, tell them it's due to a incurable but perhaps treatable cancer and some will chose suicide. Tell kids that they are unhappy due to choices made in day to day life and they might change those choices, tell them it's due to a incurable but maybe treatable issue with their brain and some…

Untrue, at least for functioning autists. It's incurable, but knowing there is others in the same situation, reading about coping mechanism and that what you feel is indeed normal, albeit atypical help a lot.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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While I don't doubt that social media can have a negative impact on teens... my own experience as the parent of a teen is slightly different and doesn't point to social media as being a driver. At least in my case.

I have a teenager that struggles with anxiety, low self-esteem and depression. He's incredibly smart and is an honors student in high school. BUT he also thinks he's terrible and he's incapable of accepting a compliment or congratulations on a good grade or work which he immediately deflects and says he was lucky or he's not really smart or something negative.

What does this have to do with the article as far as my experience? He's not on social media. While he might consume some social media (ex. TikTok) he doesn't have his own social media accounts. He doesn't have a Facebook account, Instagram account, etc. Which might sound hard to believe and you are likely thinking "I bet he has burner accounts..." but actually he doesn't.

He didn't have a smartphone until he was 13. And while he used an iPad before that it was primarily for playing games and watching Youtube.

What he is into is online gaming and Youtube. I guess you could count Youtube as a form of social media but even with that he's a consumer of the content and not a creator or commenter. So he's not posting videos on Youtube or getting into arguments with people in the Youtube comments, etc. He simply watches content.

So I'm only a sample size of one but I deal with a teen who struggles with a lot of what is described in this article... yet it isn't being driven by social media.

I think there are far more factors at play than simply smartphones and social media. And those factors could be different depending on the individual. Although some of the factors are obviously going to be shared. And I have no doubt social media can have a tremendous negative impact on mental health. But I think there is much more going on than just that.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The increase in suicide rates for both genders (but especially females) are astounding. I really don't believe that any changes in treatment have been so radical as to cause this to manifest the way it has.

SSRI use has skyrocketed, and multiple meta-analyses have confirmed that they lead to an increase in suicidal thoughts and behavior when used by children and adolescents. I don't necessarily agree with the grandparent poster's point of view, as I do think there are big societal changes leading to decreased mental health that are unrelated to the way we treat mental illness...but I do think the increase in usage of ps…

> SSRI use has skyrocketed, and multiple meta-analyses have confirmed that they lead to an increase in suicidal thoughts and behavior when used by children and adolescents.

The prevailing wisdom on this is that many people suffering major depression won’t even have the motivation to go through with suicide. Once the depression has begun to be treated, certain executive functions start to amplify giving sufferers newfound task salience and resolve to go through with it. The problem is that all the symptoms of depression take far longer to subside with consistent SSRI/SNRI usage as prescribed. These drugs take on average 90 days to reach their full effectiveness but not everything happens at once during this adjustment. Along the way, you do reach a strange state of: “well I’m still depressed but I feel empowered to do something about it now.”

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Social media is global, so any effects it has should be visible globally.

> Teenage suicides rates have, on average, declined slightly over the past two decades or so. While in 1990 there were, on average across the OECD, 8.5 suicides per 100 000 teenagers (15-19), by 2015 this rate had fallen to 7.4. Much of this decline occurred during the 2000s. Between 1990 and 1999 the OECD average teenage suicide remained fairly stable at around 8.4 suicides per 100,000, but this average fell across the 2000s before reaching a low of 6.3 per 100,000 in 2007. With the exception of 2008, the average rate remained lower than 7.0 until 2014, although it increased slightly in 2014 and 2015.

https://www.oecd.org/els/family/CO_4_4_Teenage-Suicide.pdf

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