Why wouldn't Google be able to compete with their own version of ChatGPT ? I don't understand this underlying assumption behind all comments here
Because it would cannibalize their current flagship product first.
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In general, generative models are taking publicly available content from creators and are monetizing them for big tech. Same with stable diffusion, AI art. And it'll be the same with LLMs. Eventually the whole internet would be flooded with cheap AI generated content and clearly AIs need human generated content to train on so it'll be the snake eats itself.
That’s not so different from the current state of the world in which many search results are full of cheap SEO content. Now instead of appending Reddit to my search I just go to chatGPT. Probably similar levels of accuracy between Reddit and GPT anyway while the SEO content is just garbage filler.
Around of quarter of GPT's training data was Reddit so in some sense it's already a Reddit response generating API.
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In general, generative models are taking publicly available content from creators and are monetizing them for big tech. Same with stable diffusion, AI art. And it'll be the same with LLMs. Eventually the whole internet would be flooded with cheap AI generated content and clearly AIs need human generated content to train on so it'll be the snake eats itself.
> clearly AIs need human generated content to train on so it'll be the snake eats itself. For the time being but there is no reason AI couldn't produce genuine original content. Real life human artists also use previous content for inspiration.
Human art isn't only previous content though. It's filtered through the experiences of the artist themselves. Eric Clapton surely took inspiration from prior music, but "Tears in Heaven" is about a uniquely personal and human experience of losing a child. If a computer had written it, it wouldn't have the same artistic or emotional weight.
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#174For all the folks saying "Google is getting disrupted", I'm glad to see what's going on but I wouldn't hold my breath. Most importantly, by all accounts Google does have better (or at least as-good-as) tech internally that can match ChatGPT. They have been slow to release because of reputational risk, and having to deal with internal (and external) pressure about amplified bias. I think the best analogy here is when…
Does better tech matter that much if you can't execute? Microsoft has always gone with good enough instead of striving for perfection. It's taken them pretty far.
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#175For all the folks saying "Google is getting disrupted", I'm glad to see what's going on but I wouldn't hold my breath. Most importantly, by all accounts Google does have better (or at least as-good-as) tech internally that can match ChatGPT. They have been slow to release because of reputational risk, and having to deal with internal (and external) pressure about amplified bias. I think the best analogy here is when…
> if Google can get their shit together organizationally that they'll still be able to compete.
This is a really big if, and I think it's what has so many calling it against Google already. Google as an organization has been dysfunctional for years, and everything we're seeing so far indicates that the organization does even worse under pressure than it does when it's coasting.
I don't doubt that they have really good tech, but I have no confidence in Google's present ability to execute anything.
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It's a similar reaction that Intel supporters had when it was clear AMD had become a credible threat. There were claims that Intel had 1-2 unreleased CPU architectures just ready to drop at a moments notice to counter anything AMD came out with... we've seen how that played out. Google has been distracted milking their cash cow, just as Intel was, while the competition caught up. The main difference is that Google do…
Except that Intel does seem to be back on top again though?
As someone with money invested in Intel, yes they are back on top of some benchmarks for consumer products and have been doing reasonably well overall. The issue is with the entreprise segment that is getting eaten away by AMD products that are more power efficient and have a higher number of cores due to their early bet of chiplet design (Intel is migrating to chiplet designs this generation). They are also leveraging the TSMC nodes which are overall better/more power-efficient.
This is a far cry from how far ahead they were before Zen 1 dropped in 2017. They've been burning a lot of money to keep their heads out of the water.
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#177I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. I remember when the iPhone was first announced, BB scrambled to put out press releases saying they have competing products in development. 2 years later the Bold(EDIT: Storm) was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. >Used to work for BB/RIM
> I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. It would be awesome, actually. Demonopolization of search space is long due. We need some breath of fresh air there.
It's not just that—their gobbling up (then often killing) promising smaller companies, and offering tons of free products (paid for by spyvertising dollars) suppresses both commercial competitors that might be better, and FOSS alternatives, since there's less incentive to develop, contribute to, or push (to friend and family, or in a business context) FOSS solutions when you know you're competing with something Google provides for free, with a very-expensive team behind it, and a marketing budget. This extends way beyond, but is fueled by, their market position in unrelated areas (search, video, ads)
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#178I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. I remember when the iPhone was first announced, BB scrambled to put out press releases saying they have competing products in development. 2 years later the Bold(EDIT: Storm) was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. >Used to work for BB/RIM
Decades ago intel put out a press about the amazing new tech their CPUs would have. 3 of 5 CPU manufactures gave up. By the time the tech actually arrived, AMD had it as well. The others would have been fine. Sometimes a press release can make all the difference. (Sorry can’t find story that old)
Agreed. There's a lot of hype around LLMs right now, but they have not proven their value yet.
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> 2 years later the Bold was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. You can talk all you want about the foundational models and how advanced they are, but the search product itself will require a ton of…
> I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. You can talk all you want about the foundational models and how advanced they are, but the search product itself will require a ton of fine-tuning on real-world training data that they aren't collecting yet. I love ChatGPT as a source of inspiration, but I don't think I'd w…
Google already has an issue with accuracy - the snippets they choose are often not very correct.