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Post by Karawebnetwork »

afavour wrote: post #13

ChatGPT as a search engine sounds amazing but also really quite problematic. It's an extension of the issue with Google's "instant answers" (or whatever they're called): right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages. When no-one clicks though any more, no-one gets paid. I know, I know, the ad banner-funded web is a mess and I wouldn't mourn its dem…

Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ does it well in my opinion.

It builds a paragraph answering your query but it has a lot of footnotes that link directly to websites.

Ex:

"geopolitical reason for palm oil being banned and why it's bad for health"

The EU has banned palm oil in biofuels due to its negative impacts on health[1] and its geopolitical implications, such as favoring alternative crops grown in Europe[2]. Palm plantations are also a major factor of deforestation[3], leading to the loss of habitat for endangered species[4]. Indonesia's President Joko Widodo recently announced a ban on the export of palm oil, which could backfire due to its importance in the global market[5].

1nih.gov 2weforum.org 3theconversation.com 4triplepundit.com 5carnegieendowment.org

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Post by echelon »

gardaani wrote: post #44

Maybe related to that failed event: Google stock price is falling, it's currently -7%.

I'm ready to buy more puts soon. I don't think the true cost of this mistake will sink in with investors until later this year, though.

I've been pretty good at eventual sentiment prediction, but never been great at timing it.

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Post by grogenaut »

MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #46
jimbob45 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages Are you saying Google pays them per scrape or they get paid only when users click through?

Google does not pay site owners and I thought the big complaint was that users rarely if ever click through. The instant answers keep users and their potential page impressions in Google-land.

Further the users were really only paid if they put Google's ads up on their website to further monetize it or if they had a paywall which meant that their information was much less likely to show up in Google. So Google has only for a short time really paid people back when ads were actually relatively lucrative. Or if you were essentially selling something you could instantly monetize through that sale that Google pointed people too but for people just producing content it's never been that great of a way to reward them for them aggregating their information and selling it to other people.

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Post by rchaud »

htrp wrote: post #21
guardiangod wrote: post #9

I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. I remember when the iPhone was first announced, BB scrambled to put out press releases saying they have competing products in development. 2 years later the Bold(EDIT: Storm) was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. >Used to work for BB/RIM

> 2 years later the Bold was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. You can talk all you want about the foundational models and how advanced they are, but the search product itself will require a ton of…

> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page.

I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. Is there some other kind of output AI search currently provides that I'm missing?

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Post by nunodonato »

_jplc wrote: post #16

> This suggests to me that Google is finally getting disrupted and are scrambling of desperation because of the release of ChatGPT. Is there a term like premature ejaculation but for believing in disruption?

premature disruption syndrome (PDS)

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Post by meltyness »

gardaani wrote: post #44

Maybe related to that failed event: Google stock price is falling, it's currently -7%.

... most of the NASDAQ is sailing by on a flywheel stock buybacks and a financials-advertising pricing bubble that's causing services inflation.

During the State of the Union the president advocated to applause a considerable increase in federal taxes on those purchases.

Don't follow my advice though, I thought the Apple Car mirage would have poofed days after Tesla got decimated.

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Post by ugjka »

rchaud wrote: post #75
htrp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2 years later the Bold was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. You can talk all you want about the foundational models and how advanced they are, but the search product itself will require a ton of…

> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. Is there some other kind of output AI search currently provides that I'm missing?

I use ChatGPT precisely because I don't want to sift trhough search result links

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Post by agloe_dreams »

rchaud wrote: post #68
guardiangod wrote: post #9

I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. I remember when the iPhone was first announced, BB scrambled to put out press releases saying they have competing products in development. 2 years later the Bold(EDIT: Storm) was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. >Used to work for BB/RIM

Blackberry Storm was released in November 2008, which is a year after the iPhone, not 2 years. The first Android phone came out just a month before in October. I was in NYC for job interviews then I saw billboards for both everywhere.

Yup. What I would note is that Palm, like 7 months later, had the first real competition but Sprint just screwed them. Android took until the Droid to be competitive and the Nexus One/Galaxy S to be actually convincing as an alternative.
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